The Gilets Jaunes Movement Is a Lot More Complicated Than You Think (Plus Notes for the U.S. in 2020)
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Asset composition by wealth percentile in France (source). Note that the percentile axis (the x-axis) is not linear — the marks show deciles from 0% to 90%, but the remaining decile is further broken into four ever-tightening groups, 90-95%, 95-99%, 99.5-99.9% and 99.9-100%. The non-linearity of the asset amounts at each mark is also striking, though predictable. The assets for those at the 30% mark are roughly 10 times those at the 10% mark; assets at the 50% mark are just four times those at the 30% mark; and assets at 70% are about twice those at 50%. Then asset increases start to climb, even as the groups shrink, until assets at the 99.9% mark are six times those just a half-percent below, at the 99.5% mark.
by Gaius Publius
From this part of the world, the gilets jaunes (yellow vests) movement in France is a curiosity. Many on the left see it as a rebuke of the neoliberal policies of President Macron — because it is a rebuke of those policies — and therefore add onto it their own ideas about what an anti-neoliberal rebellion means.
But is it just that? A friend of mine and former writing partner, "ChrisInParis" at the old Americablog, has lived many years in France and pointed us recently to this Twitter thread about the gilets jaunes (GJ) with the admonition, "The GJ are a lot more complicated than you think."
The following abstracts that thread. (To jump to my own thoughts on what this means for the U.S., click here.) I present it hoping to prevent you from simplifying les gilets jaunes into a kind of fantasia on the theme of the 2011 Arab Spring. It's not that.
The gilets jaunes movement is a very mixed bag, with left elements, right elements, far-right elements, class grievances, economic grievances, racial animus, co-optionist actors and some flailing. Not all participants adhere to all beliefs of all other participants, by a long shot. And the movement is in the process of transforming itself, being transformed by its own onward energy, or being hijacked, depending on how events play out.
So, as you ponder and speak about les gilets jaunes, tread lightly. The thread below explains all that. It starts here:
1/ So, this is a thread on the Gilets Jaunes (GJs). I see a lot of confusion out there re: the protests, as well as a tendency among some to view the movement through a biased lens, such that, for example, if you dislike Macron you may be approving of the movement & vice versa.— Mangy Jay (@magi_jay) December 9, 2018
The following is the text.
1/ So, this is a thread on the Gilets Jaunes (GJs). I see a lot of confusion out there re: the protests, as well as a tendency among some to view the movement through a biased lens, such that, for example, if you dislike Macron you may be approving of the movement & vice versa.
2/ 1st, some caveats:
Caveat #1: I know more about France than most people, but I do not know more than all people. I am open to correction & new information. . . .
3/ Caveat #2: A lot of the info we have on the protests is scattershot at this point. I will talk about the evidence we currently have, but am open to the possibility it could be flawed.
4/ Moving on, the confusion about the movement is completely understandable. I remain very confused about aspects of it. It's hard to get a handle on what exactly is happening on the ground.
The most pertinent questions are: who is protesting? What are they protesting? Etc.
5/ So, some background: you will notice a lot of people saying that many in France approve of the protestors & that Macron’s approval is low. Both of these facts are true.
6/ However, both of these facts *generally* hold in France. Presidential approval is often low (they have multiple parties, are less partisan, there’s often gridlock, the party of the PM is often different than the party of the Prez, etc.)
7/ None of this is in defense of Macron. Nor is it to say that the French are not particularly disapproving of him (recall: his party is new, thus his base of support is likely even softer than it would be).
It's just good to remember: low presidential approval is not unusual.
8/ Re: approval for protestors. France is a very protest-friendly country. They often speak approvingly of any protest, even those they may ideologically disagree w/. (This may not, however, be the case if the protestors are primarily black and brown).
9/ None of this is to insinuate that the French, in general, are not particularly fond of Les Gilets Jaunes (I have no idea). Just to say that, broadly speaking, the French are predisposed to both protesting & valuing the spirit of protest.
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10/ This is perhaps reflected in the government’s willingness to respond to protest demands, something that’s not really being reported on:
Macron scraps fuel tax rise in face of gilets jaunes protests
11/ Now the other thing to understand about France is that there are deep societal tensions related to immigration. There is also racism & islamophobia. This pre-dates the current refugee crisis & is complexly related to the fact that France was a colonial state.
12/ &, like the U.S., France contains a spectrum of discriminatory beliefs & behaviors. For ex, there is the openly bigoted far-right party (FN), but then there are also more subtle & societally “acceptable” biases (cf. burkini ban). There is also structural racism & segregation.
13/ That’s all to provide the general societal backdrop.
So, onto the next Q: where did the GJ protests come from?
The protests have been generally cited as originally occurring in response to a fuel tax intended to combat climate change.
14/ Such a flat tax would technically be regressive, given the poor would pay the same as the rich. It could also hurt rural communities more than urban communities due to asymmetries in availability of public transportation.
15/ I think there are reasonable debates to be had about the role/nature of climate-change-focused taxation. More here:
Another important Q for us ALL to explore is the following: taxing fuel equally for everyone is regressive & places an undue burden on the poor. I'm not in favor of sales taxes generally for this reason— Mangy Jay (@magi_jay) December 3, 2018
However, given the nature of the climate crisis, is such a tax reasonable? 4/
16/ Now, some analyses have indicated that Macron’s recent changes to the wealth tax, in combo w/ the new flat tax, may have contributed to people’s anger.
I’m not going to get into an in-depth discussion of the wealth tax b/c I don’t really have enough economic acumen to do so
17/ But, a few things to remember (none of this is in defense of the tax cut, so don’t @ me)
-cutting taxes in France is a different scenario than cutting taxes in the U.S.
-this is not the first time the tax has been changed. Presidents have gone back and forth on this for yrs
18/ -the justification for the tax cut was that businesses/investors were leaving France.
Macron slashes France's wealth tax in pro-business budget [subscr. required]
19/ Again, I don't know enough to discuss this in-depth. Below is a piece from Picketty arguing that cutting the wealth tax cut was a mistake. Plz share other analyses if you have them (fine w/ moderate sources, but no right-wingers, plz)
Suppression of the wealth tax: an historical error
20/ Alright, so that’s mostly the background for how the GJ protests originated, as far as I know. . .
But, plz remember, in addition to extant left-wing forces in France, there are also far-right forces who are very economically "populist" & also anti-immigrant.
21/ Now: who are the protestors? Well, they’re not all Gilets Jaunes, or, at least, they didn’t all start out that way. I believe there are also people demonstrating *against* climate change, for example. . . .There also appears to be some antifa/GJ overlap. . .
22/ And I've heard there is also a prominent racial justice group is apparently protesting adjacent to the Gilets Jaunes, though I do not know if they are protesting in unity w/ them. I’m sure there are many other groups & unaffiliated individuals as well. . . .
23/ Remember: France is a country that fosters a spirit of protest. I don’t want to minimize what is happening now, but it is generally unsurprising that multiple different groups w/ different interests are now protesting, either jointly or separately.
24/ So, there’s a lot of talk about whether or not the GJ's are right-wing or left-wing or neither. Many folks on here seem to think it is a left-wing movement. Perhaps b/c they are protesting Macron, a “centrist. . ."
25/ However, at this point in time, it seems to be inaccurate to consider the movement “left-wing.”
Polling suggests that the majority identify w/ the far-right (42%) or center-ish-right (16%), though some (20%) identify w/ the far-left.
Polls show many French sympathize with #GiletJaunes movement, but mostly the far right, and that “yellow vest” protestors themselves are largely comprised of far-right villagers and small townspeople pic.twitter.com/a20tDfFOtn— Borzou Daragahi 🖊🗒 (@borzou) December 9, 2018
26/ &, yesterday, an “unofficial” list of demands from the Gilets Jaunes was released by a journalist. I personally would like to know more about the origin of this document. The GJs, as far as I know, don’t have unified leadership. So who wrote the list? (see next tweet)
27/
A new "unofficial" list of Gilet Jaunes demands here:— Stanley Pignal (@spignal) December 7, 2018
- cut taxes to 25% of GDP (so half current levels)
- better public services/massive hiring of civil servants
- Leave EU & NATO
- Default on public debt
- New constitution
- less immigration
- Scrap CFA Franc in W Africa (??) pic.twitter.com/BlhucXLyzm
28/ This is essentially a far-right document. For example, it is pro-Frexit. It also mentions stopping immigration in the context of a “civilizational crisis.” Additionally, it’s also not particularly economically progressive, given that it proposes tax cuts for all citizens.
29/ So, what we know from polling, as well as this “unofficial” document, is that the Gilets Jaunes are comprised of mostly far-right protestors who are making far-right demands. I’m open 2 changing my mind on this if new info comes in
But, that's what the current evidence says
30/ Now, interestingly, “Gilets Jaunes” movements are now cropping up in other countries & many of them are far-right. Pro-Brexit protesters appear to have marched in yellow jackets in London.
31/ La Liberation (which is left-leaning) also reports that right-wingers are showing solidarity w/ the Gilets Jaunes in Serbia & Germany. Note that the "reasons" behind this protest-solidarity range from lowering carbon prices to limiting immigration. https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2018/12/07/d-autres-pays-d-europe-ont-il-leur-mouvement-des-gilets-jaunes_1695931 …
33/ Then, of course, there is this:
Russian accounts fuel French outrage online
34/ So, overall, evidence points to the Gilets Jaunes as being primarily far-right at this moment in time. I can’t say whether they started that way or were high-jacked, or what. In other countries, solidarity protests have been right-wing/far-right.
35/ Some identify as left-wing, but, given the evidence above, I think it's very inaccurate at this time to call the movement left-wing in nature.
36/ Given that the evidence we have points to quite a few far-right affiliations w/ the Gilets Jaunes, I would urge left-leaning people to avoid fetishizing the movement, by, say, sharing images like this one:
37/ Overall, complex social movements are not typically amendable to idolization. There are some exceptions to this, but the Gilets Jaunes does not appear to be one. . . . .
38/ I think, especially given the far-right underpinnings, it's best to not see this protest as a kind of spontaneous combustion occurring in *isolated* response to Macron policies. There are deep historical/societal factors also at play here.
39/ Finally, you can oppose Macron, as well as his tax policies, w/out praising this particular movement. You can even say that people would have a right to be outraged, w/out praising this particular movement.
Basically, I'm trying to say: don't praise far-right movements.
40/ That’s it.
Again, I’m not claiming expertise here, so I would be open to discussion/correction, etc. from people who know more than I do.
I'm also open to changing my POV as new info comes in.
[PS 1] Oh, PS, and this is important.
Re: the 20% of Gilets Jaunes who identify as supporters of Melenchon: Melenchon is left-wing economically, but is also a nationalist. So, you might consider not praising these folks either.
Melenchon has said problematic things about immigration, refugees, etc. https://t.co/xh3W5XTJld pic.twitter.com/gWLLf6NyLY— Mangy Jay (@magi_jay) December 7, 2018
[PS 2]
Here’s @emile_chabal, one of the brightest French historians working today, presenting the case for why the yellow vests movement has to be understood as a rightwing rebellion https://t.co/D4qzmBeJu7— Anas hell-awat (@Marxthug) December 8, 2018
The Lesson for Us All
Me again. So that's the story. The GJ movement isn't entirely clean, it's not entirely dirty, and it's changing or being changed. Be careful what you say about it — it's very easy to be wrong — and do stay tuned.
Rebellions are often messy mixed affairs. In the U.S. recently, only the Sanders-led revolt was relatively clean, while the Trumpist version was mostly dirty, much more a mélange of good and truly evil.
Keep this in mind in 2020 and beyond. We're going to get the same revolt again, either led by the person we put in power, or led against the person we put in power. If that person is a Sanders or a Trump, she or he will lead it, down good paths or bad, all while fighting the corporate counter-revolt that will surely follow.
But if that person is an Obama or a Beto, a sweet-sounding betrayer of hopes and promises, the real revolt, led badly or well, will be against that person, with the neoliberal Democratic Party taking a problematic and indefensible position in defense.
Again, stay tuned. If the Democratic Party isn't taken over by the Sanders and the AOC's of the world, and very very soon, it really is over. The twin tsunamis — the revolt against wealth; global climate instability and crisis — which already wet our faces, are poised and ready to truly drown our world.
Mes centimes,
GP
Labels: Bernie Sanders revolution, France, Gaius Publius, gilets jaunes, right-wing revolution
4 Comments:
Some brief reflections on the post's topics:
Right-wing collections LOVE uniforms. Lefties are far more individualistic, which is why leftist collections often splinter.
Few of the demands placed in to public discussion allegedly by GJ are leftist.
The fact that the media is getting involved indicates that corporatists are at the very least seeking to take advantage of the public unrest. This is especially indicated by the spread of GJ-like movements into other nations.
The motive for corporatist involvement is to weaken public influence of the operation of corporatist rule. Ending democracy is high on a corporatist's agenda.
I might add that revulsion of the left (in this case, pretty much everyone across the spectrum) to being ratfucked is often used opportunistically by the far right to sow even greater discontent and violence... for fun and profit. If there is a hate aspect they can magnify/foment, all the easier.
I refer you to Germany in the late '20s.
"But if that person is an Obama or a Beto, a sweet-sounding betrayer of hopes and promises, the real revolt... will be against that person, with the neoliberal Democratic Party taking a problematic and indefensible position in defense."
actually, GP, if you remember 2010-2016, the democraps end up taking a big loss generally.
The only thing that gave them CPR in 2018 was the trump cluster fuck of a shit show. Still, 18 million fewer showed up for the anti-red WAVE than showed up to repudiate both candidates in 2016. more voters repudiated trump but fewer electors did.
"If the Democratic Party isn't taken over by the Sanders and the AOC's of the world, and very very soon, it really is over."
The democrap party cannot be taken over by either. The money will prevent it, just as they prevented it in 2016. And Bernie did prove his bona-fides to the corporations by bending over after the convention. AOC is showing signs (endorsing Pelosi for speaker) of being corruptible.
The democrap party can't be changed from within. 2016 proved that.
The democrap party must be given the death sentence by voters and a different, truly left party must coalesce in the vacuum on the left that's existed since the DLC was formed.
Otherwise, a very good and illuminating piece. It shows how the French are FAAAAAAR superior as a people and a society to americans.
American society is an Ansel Adams photo (for 99.9% of americans who won't know, that means black and white)... less the beauty.
French society is HD Technicolor.
A quote from Thom Hartmann. "Many groups talking about 'corporate personhood' are only working on the money in politics angle. History teaches us that’s nowhere near enough. The campaign finance system was already broken before Citizens United, so reversing the decision won’t actually fix the problem.
The problem is corporations with 1st, 4th, 5th, and 14th Amendment rights, coupled with limited liability and other benefits. We must end corporate constitutional rights once and for all."
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GP, a word to the wise.
putting up a logarithmic-ish chart is probably self-defeating. You must understand the intellectual and educational limits of your audience -- American imbeciles.
It is almost impossible to imagine that more than maybe a tenth of americans are even capable of comprehending this. To 90%, it's just pretty colors.
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