Will The 3 Worst Democrats In The Senate Vote To Acquit Trump? They Want To
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With the vast majority of registered voters-- including Republican voters-- saying a fair trial includes calling witnesses, it's going to be very costly for Republican incumbents up for reelection to vote against calling at least Bolton. The new Quinnipiac poll shows that 75% of voters want to see witnesses called and only 20% oppose that. Even among Republican voters, 49% want witnesses and just 43% are happy with a coverup. Among independent voters, 75% want witnesses called and just 18% agree with Moscow Mitch that there should be no witnesses.
It doesn't matter to a few incumbents in virtually one-party states. We're definitely not talking about the open seats in Tennessee and Wyoming, nor the reelection campaigns Jim Risch (ID), Mike Rounds (SD), Bill Cassidy (LA) and Jim Inhofe (OK) are sleeping through. And this is not just about the toughest races for Republicans like Susan Collins (ME), Cory Gardner (CO), Martha McSally (AZ), Thom Tillis (NC), Joni Ernst (IA)... The witness kerfuffle is suddenly putting seats the GOP didn't think they would have to fight for at risk and into the endangered category:
McConnell is pushing for a quick end to the trial without calling witnesses. After a meeting of his members on Tuesday, he feels he has the votes to pursue the coverup that was always his intention. One of his henchmen, Mike Rounds, told reporters that they would make a final decision tomorrow.
Basically, McConnell feels he has lost Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and Mitt Romney on the witnesses question. If one more Republican votes against a coverup-- say Lamar Alexander (TN), who is retiring-- they are in deep trouble. Unless...
There are 3 right-wing Democratic senators who would like to vote to acquit Trump if they can get away with it-- the three Benedict Arnolds who tend to vote with the Republicans whenever they can: Kyrsten Sinema (AZ), Joe Manchin (WV) and Doug Jones (AL). Politico writer Burgess Everett looked into the trial from their perspective, although he calls them "moderate" instead of DINOs or conservatives or any of the words that would describe them objectively. They all want to vote with Trump but, he wrote, "It’s a decision that could have major ramifications for each senator’s legacy and political prospects-- as well shape the broader political dynamic surrounding impeachment heading into the 2020 election."
This cycle, Schumer is playing the exact same role-- undermining progressives on behalf on crappy corporate candidates like John Frackenlooper in Colorado, Sara Gideon in Maine, Cal Cunningham in North Carolina, Mark Kelly in Arizona, Republican Barbara Bollier in Kansas, Theresa Greenfield in Iowa and lobbyist Jaime Harrison in South Carolina. Count on Schumer to always find candidates who will vote with the GOP on the most crucial issues facing the Senate. And by the way, the trio we talked about above, all voted to confirm neo-fascist Attorney General William Barr.
It doesn't matter to a few incumbents in virtually one-party states. We're definitely not talking about the open seats in Tennessee and Wyoming, nor the reelection campaigns Jim Risch (ID), Mike Rounds (SD), Bill Cassidy (LA) and Jim Inhofe (OK) are sleeping through. And this is not just about the toughest races for Republicans like Susan Collins (ME), Cory Gardner (CO), Martha McSally (AZ), Thom Tillis (NC), Joni Ernst (IA)... The witness kerfuffle is suddenly putting seats the GOP didn't think they would have to fight for at risk and into the endangered category:
• David Perdue (GA)
• Dan Sullivan (AK)
• Steve Daines (MT)
• Moscow Mitch (KY)
• John Cornyn (TX)
• Lindsey Graham (SC)
• the open seat in Kansas
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McConnell is pushing for a quick end to the trial without calling witnesses. After a meeting of his members on Tuesday, he feels he has the votes to pursue the coverup that was always his intention. One of his henchmen, Mike Rounds, told reporters that they would make a final decision tomorrow.
Basically, McConnell feels he has lost Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski and Mitt Romney on the witnesses question. If one more Republican votes against a coverup-- say Lamar Alexander (TN), who is retiring-- they are in deep trouble. Unless...
There are 3 right-wing Democratic senators who would like to vote to acquit Trump if they can get away with it-- the three Benedict Arnolds who tend to vote with the Republicans whenever they can: Kyrsten Sinema (AZ), Joe Manchin (WV) and Doug Jones (AL). Politico writer Burgess Everett looked into the trial from their perspective, although he calls them "moderate" instead of DINOs or conservatives or any of the words that would describe them objectively. They all want to vote with Trump but, he wrote, "It’s a decision that could have major ramifications for each senator’s legacy and political prospects-- as well shape the broader political dynamic surrounding impeachment heading into the 2020 election."
All three senators remain undecided after hearing arguments from the impeachment managers and Trump’s defense team. But they could end up with a creative solution.This is what comes when Schumer and the DSCC for their shit conservative candidates picked specifically because they are so far to the right. Sinema is the perfect example. Last cycle she was the head the Blue Dogs and had the worst voting record of any Democrat in the House. Schumer recruited her to run for the Senate and cleared the field of other Democrats who wanted to run. Today she has the worst voting record of any Democrat in the Senate:
One or more senators may end up splitting their votes, borrowing a move from Rep. Jared Golden (D-Maine), who voted for the abuse of power charge but against the one on obstruction of Congress.
Manchin said he will do that only if he “can explain one and not the other.” Jones has been mildly critical of the obstruction impeachment article and says he’s “troubled” the House didn’t fight harder to hear from critical administration witnesses.
Manchin insisted Tuesday he hasn’t figured out where he will come down. And won’t until the trial ends.
“I know it’s hard to believe that. But I really am [undecided]. But I have not made a final decision. Every day, I hear something, I think ‘this is compelling, that’s compelling,’” Manchin said in an interview. “Everyone’s struggling a little bit.”
Many in the Capitol believed Manchin had run his last campaign in 2018, freeing him to vote however he wants. He insisted he still will, but also didn’t rule out running for the Senate again in 2024: “I have no idea. I swear to God. buddy. I don’t.”
However, the most immediate pressure is on Jones, an unlikely Democratic senator from the Deep South fighting for his political life this fall with no good options: Republicans will batter him if he votes to convict the president, Democrats will rebel if he votes to acquit. In his front office on Tuesday, his phone rang repeatedly as aides answered questions about impeachment witnesses.
Jones said he hears both from Trump voters and those who loathe the president, but admitted that he hears more from people who support Trump. And he indicated he’s beginning to reach a decision-making end game, though potential consideration of new evidence could scramble any conclusions he’d reached as of Tuesday.
“I don’t think I’ve totally decided. I certainly have [been] leaning one way or the other. That needle moves” depending on the day’s testimony, Jones said in an interview. “I am leaning in certain ways but I want to hear, I truly, honestly, want to hear the entire trial.”
Compared with the chatty Manchin and Jones, Sinema’s stance is a bit of a mystery.
Like those two Democrats, she has occasionally broken with her party, including by supporting the confirmation of Attorney General William Barr in 2019, a vote that demonstrated largely where the fault lines in the Democratic Caucus currently lie. She supported Democrats’ votes for new evidence last week to “make a more fully informed decision at the end of the trial,” a spokesman said, and is undecided during the impeachment trial.
Sinema has made no comments since the trial began. She’s close with many Republicans, and some Democrats privately believe that like Manchin, she leans toward Trump more than Jones does. Still, with no public comments it’s almost impossible to tell where she will land.
...During the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh in fall 2018, Democrats in tough races said they were pushing politics aside and making the decision on the merits. Only Manchin voted to confirm him, winning reelection narrowly a few weeks later.
And there’s still a variable at hand. All Senate Democrats have been pushing for a vote to hear from witnesses like former national security adviser John Bolton and acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney. Jones said hearing from witnesses could make his mind “change in every number of directions.”
As for Manchin, he says he can’t vote for anything he can’t explain to West Virginians. He suggested that if Republicans reject the bid to add new evidence, it might be hard for him to explain: “I don’t know how you can call it a trial.”
He also broke pointedly with Trump’s description of his call with Ukraine President Volodymr Zelensky, in which Trump pushed for an investigation into Joe Biden: “Make no mistake about it. It was not a perfect call.”
This cycle, Schumer is playing the exact same role-- undermining progressives on behalf on crappy corporate candidates like John Frackenlooper in Colorado, Sara Gideon in Maine, Cal Cunningham in North Carolina, Mark Kelly in Arizona, Republican Barbara Bollier in Kansas, Theresa Greenfield in Iowa and lobbyist Jaime Harrison in South Carolina. Count on Schumer to always find candidates who will vote with the GOP on the most crucial issues facing the Senate. And by the way, the trio we talked about above, all voted to confirm neo-fascist Attorney General William Barr.
Labels: Chuck Schumer, impeaching Trump, Senate 2020
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Given the nature of such shitholes as Alabama and West Virginia, it is not a simple problem to resolve whether the nation / world is better off with Republican senators or Democrats who vote with the Republicans at some critical times.
Two salient facts must be addressed:
1. Regardless of all else, there is still a differences between the worst Democrat (Kristen Sinema, Progressive Punch key vote score - 42%) and the best Republican (Susan Collins (PP score - 25% [a mere 14% this session]).
2. Arizona, Alabama, West Virginia, Tennessee, etc. are not about to elect the likes of Mark Warner, let alone Jeff Merkley.
I see someone here is reading replies. Good for you.
They not only want to. They will. I would say that they might vote guilty only if the Nazis remain united and they CAN cross the aisle to vote with their own party without causing trump to be convicted and, maybe, removed.
Certainly if 3 Nazis demur, they'll be forced to vote with their natural party, as they always want to.
Besides, the democrap party does not want to remove trump. They need him to run against because their corrupt neoliberal fascist and probably neocon candidate (biden, mckinsey or amy) gives lefty voters no reason to vote FOR THEM.
The democrap party has to be aware of the anti-blue suppressive effect of rigging their convention to eschew the will of the voters. They NEED the massive anti-red effect of trump in many key states to make it a competitive race again.
Name-calling, conspiracy theories devoid of evidence, and descent into Godwin's Law territory do not portend well for worthwhile discussion.
Neither does the fact that the Democratic Party thrives on betraying the trust of the people.
It is unbelievable that anyone would acquit Trump. Logic, common sense and the law as well as his unfitness, blatant criminality, obvious extreme emotional, cognitive and neurological impairment, and view that he is the imperial one seem irrelevant to way too many people who represent us. The Republicans are hell bent on giving up the power of the legislative branch and letting Trump run wild on our economy, our foreign policy, our democratic norms, our Constitution and our environment. He will destroy everything, just like he has with everything he has touched his entire life. I guess the Republicans fear their heads will be on pikes and lined up on the mall facing the Washington monument if they dare to oppose him.
I just don't get it. We are so screwed. if he gets a second term, he will destroy the world as well as the USA. I don't doubt for a minute he would drop a nuke and start WW III, or should I say WW VI. What a dumb and toxic ass.
Hone, a bit of historical perspective:
Clinton was absolutely guilty of perjury, for the purpose of obstructing the special prosecutor. They caught him dead to rights.
He should have never lied. But after he got caught in the lie, he should have resigned. Gore might have run a better campaign minus the Clinton stink... maybe not. who knows?
But he did not resign and was tried in the senate. Somewhat understandably, a lot of senators who knew he was guilty of perjury voted to acquit -- I mean he lied about a consensual sex act between adults, which is not a crime most everywhere.
Yes, trump's crimes are real (including dozens not even touched upon in any articles) and his lies and perjuries and his obstruction is of investigations into real crimes... but the precedent was set.
Presidents before, during and after have refused to enforce the rule of law... obamanation for one refused to enforce finance fraud and torture laws... so the precedents are set there.
We are not a nation of laws. We are a nation driven by celebrities, for the benefit of celebrities with total indifference to everything that does not further the causes of celebrity.
Fundamentally, of course, it's voters' fault. decades of not punishing betrayers and evildoers has 'selected' for our worst.
starting with the idea of trump as 'normal' is your mistake. You need to ponder what had to happen in order for trump to become even POSSIBLE. You'll realize, finally and for good, that we're fucked. And we fucked ourselves.
You democrap voters are probably more guilty of autobuggering than the Nazis... but that's my own opinion. Certainly 40 years of lesser-evilism got us here. If you contend differently... you prove my point.
7:21, I've been proving... well, actually Pelosi has been proving... my theories for decades. The absence of articles on emoluments (that constitution thingie) and murder, among sooooo many others, prove it.
Your blindfold is effective. Or does it go deeper (into your thick skull) than that?
As far as godwin... read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich". It (history) also supports my contentions.
I'm always happy to DISCUSS.
WAKE. THE. FUCK. UP.
oh thank gawd Collins, Murkowski and alexander have declared their fealty to the fuhrer.
Now jones, manchin and sinema can pretend to be democraps. And even the mittster can pretend to be independent-minded.
and Pelosi, the DxCCs and the DNC will have trump stink to run against.
everyone wins. big sigh of relief.
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