Who Knows How History Will Really Judge Anything-- Other Than The Climate Change Deniers?
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Pretty much everyone I know agrees that history will judge the Trump enablers in Congress harshly, very harshly. But I don't know Ken Starr. Yesterday on Fox News' American Newsroom, Starr asserted that history-- which already judges him harshly for his failed attempt to railroad Bill Clinton out of office-- will judge congressional Democrats harshly. "The text of the Constitution," he said, "just entrusts [impeachment] to the good judgment, whether it's being exercised or not, to the House of Representatives. But history will, I think, judge this not well. It should judge it not well. [You] didn't have a full debate on the floor of the House-- and that just lends itself to, 'then to let's go to court and have this litigated.' And of course, the chairman then says, 'you go to court, you're in contempt.'"
Starr said that "For [Schiff to] essentially declare guilt... is another procedural irregularity. He should try his best... to give the appearance of fairness and open-mindedness. He's already declared the president substantively guilty, as well as procedurally guilty."
Republicans have been whining-- for no sane reason-- that the deposition phase of the impeachment inquiry was secret. It was secret because the Democrats were following House rules proposed by John Boehner and passed by the Republican-dominated House. Well, now they'll have nothing to whine about, right? Pelosi announced the public phase of the hearings will be voted on this week. You think Trump and his enablers want that?
Yesterday, the National Review ran an op-ed by Matt Continetti of the American Enterprise Institute, explaining why Republican senators aren't going to vote for impeachment. He points out that they would need Republican voters to change their minds about Trump in order for even senators who loath him and want to vote to expel him to do so. He points to a column by Robert Samuelson in the Washington Post for backup. "Samuelson acknowledges that public opinion is sticky. People don’t like changing their minds. 'People define themselves by their beliefs. It’s who they are and want to be.' Their views of Trump are like hardened concrete. 'At least for his core supporters, Trump has seemed remarkably adept at controlling the narrative of his presidency.' Samuelson offers two examples of shifts in public opinion: same-sex marriage and marijuana legalization. The public changed its mind about both. But advocates of impeachment shouldn’t get their hopes up. The comparison between cultural issues and political figures is misguided [and] the timeline for cultural change is much longer than the political calendar. It took decades for the public to accept same-sex marriage and pot. The rising generation is responsible for much of the difference in attitude. House Democrats hope to vote on impeachment by the end of 2019. Absent some technological breakthrough, there is not enough time for a pro-conviction GOP youth movement to be born, come of age, and displace Senate Republicans."
Starr said that "For [Schiff to] essentially declare guilt... is another procedural irregularity. He should try his best... to give the appearance of fairness and open-mindedness. He's already declared the president substantively guilty, as well as procedurally guilty."
Republicans have been whining-- for no sane reason-- that the deposition phase of the impeachment inquiry was secret. It was secret because the Democrats were following House rules proposed by John Boehner and passed by the Republican-dominated House. Well, now they'll have nothing to whine about, right? Pelosi announced the public phase of the hearings will be voted on this week. You think Trump and his enablers want that?
Yesterday, the National Review ran an op-ed by Matt Continetti of the American Enterprise Institute, explaining why Republican senators aren't going to vote for impeachment. He points out that they would need Republican voters to change their minds about Trump in order for even senators who loath him and want to vote to expel him to do so. He points to a column by Robert Samuelson in the Washington Post for backup. "Samuelson acknowledges that public opinion is sticky. People don’t like changing their minds. 'People define themselves by their beliefs. It’s who they are and want to be.' Their views of Trump are like hardened concrete. 'At least for his core supporters, Trump has seemed remarkably adept at controlling the narrative of his presidency.' Samuelson offers two examples of shifts in public opinion: same-sex marriage and marijuana legalization. The public changed its mind about both. But advocates of impeachment shouldn’t get their hopes up. The comparison between cultural issues and political figures is misguided [and] the timeline for cultural change is much longer than the political calendar. It took decades for the public to accept same-sex marriage and pot. The rising generation is responsible for much of the difference in attitude. House Democrats hope to vote on impeachment by the end of 2019. Absent some technological breakthrough, there is not enough time for a pro-conviction GOP youth movement to be born, come of age, and displace Senate Republicans."
The Democratic strategy, Samuelson writes, “is premised on the hope that further shocking revelations will alter the political climate. Trump’s image will be so shattered that Republican senators will feel free to join the revolt against him.” This assumes the aim of the Democratic strategy is Trump’s removal, and not simply weakening him ahead of reelection while putting at-risk Republican senators like Susan Collins and Cory Gardner in difficult positions.A former assistant to Starr, now a member of Congress, told me these assertions yesterday were "bullshit piled on top of other bullshit. For three out of the last five federal officials who were impeached, there was no authorizing vote. And the impeachment target never has the right of cross-examination during the investigation, only during the Senate trial, and only when the Senate feels like it. The Supreme Court has ruled that an official being impeached has, basically, NO due process rights; the Fifth Amendment doesn’t even apply. I think that history already is judging Ken Starr harshly, and he knows it."
The record is clear that not much Donald Trump does shocks conservative Republicans. They are prepared to tolerate a high degree of instability and dysfunction simply to prevent the Democratic left from gaining power. They would have to reject this bargain rapidly, wildly, stunningly, and decisively for the Senate to remove the president from office. As Lincoln said: Public sentiment is everything.
Labels: 2020 congressional elections, Adam Schiff, history, impeaching Trump, Ken Starr
10 Comments:
Despite the mountains of evidence that Republicans consider themselves exempt from all the rules and laws while imposing them on everyone else, the sheep still graze in the FOX fields, blissfully unaware.
@5:28 am
and here you are, posting your knowing comments on a blog. yeah, you're REALLY making a difference.
Why yes, 5:35. He IS here posting his observations, AS ARE YOU. obviously. making a difference? No less so than AOC. Evidently talking is the new doing.
how will history judge? I look to how history is judging bill Clinton and Obama.
both were horrible presidents and all we'll ever remember about Clinton is the blowjob and all we'll remember about obamanation is that he was black-ish.
the biggest failure of shitholes is that history is never accurate.
I'm expecting trump to be viewed as a misunderstood and persecuted genius.
if my posts were filled with the sort of weary "oh, I am so wise and all-knowing" ...
They certainly are 7:30! You know better than those of us who aren't fooled by the corporatist liars, so you chide and deride us to distract from the topic at hand, because it goes against Party orthodoxy. You get pissed that we don't bow to your "greater understanding" of current political events.
It must be a great burden to carry the weight of a corrupt party on your back. Oh, wait, that can't happen. You are on your back.
Kos is looking for you, You're late for the two-hours hate.
@7:35 am
Hey, don't be a Trumpster and project your obsessions onto me. I'm not the one desperately trying to persuade anyone into or out of anything, other than their needing to recognize what a great big asshole you are.
Knowing human nature, it's unlikely that you're ever going to look back at all the time you've spent here and say to yourself "Wow, what a colossal fucking waste!" But there's ALWAYS hope. Meanwhile, I have an actual job to attend to. Hopefully I'll be able to drop by later, sift through however many dozens of comments you've put up in the meantime, then skewer the prize-winner for egregious stupidity. 'Til then - blow me.
Ahhhh love is a many splendid thing....you two should get a private room.
Nah, he likes to be the object of public attention by coming here where he's outnumbered to be pummelled into submission. He's the one who tends to sling about the personal slurs. Taking him private would kill the thrill for him.
Wow - there is some real classy discussion going on here. Impressive. What a bunch of idiots!
Is that bunch as 'Tally Me Banana ?' I was noting the clickbait header and thinking how ludicrous it is to decry 'deniers' and avoid saying anything about them ! You see, I buy ( foolishly ) into the meme and pejorative enough to snort snark at the presumption of the people who ignore climate change to accuse others of 'denying' it by saying there is no measured human effect on change. I would absolutely love to be shown incorrect. Given that both parties are sponsored by corporations, it should be no surprise they both lie like flat fish ( on the bottom, in ambush ).
6:53, it's not just here. this is what's wrong in America in microcosm.
DWT posts a very partisan opinion piece; someone either tries to provide more balance or augment with further info; someone else goes full freak-out and ad-hominem projection and name-calling; someone drills further for the nerve and finds it; full freak-out guy gets more hysterical...
partisanship in this shithole seems to be immune to information, proof, perspective and history. But it usually does end up with the monkeys all flinging their own crap at the others.
America in a nutshell. lots of shit everywhere and nothing ever improves.
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