What Color Robes Will The Supremes Wear At Trump's Impeachment Trial?
>
Carl Hulse reported for NY Times readers that Moscow Mitch has told Republican senators that impeachment is real and that they need to prepare to try Trump. He had the whole GOP conference in for lunch on Thursday and "According to people who were there, he came equipped with a PowerPoint presentation, complete with quotes from the Constitution, as he schooled fellow senators on the intricacies of a process he portrayed as all but inevitable." He wrote that although "few Republicans are inclined to convict" Señor Trumpanzee, Moscow Mitch "sees the proceedings as necessary to protect a half a dozen moderates in states like Maine, Colorado and North Carolina who face re-election next year and must show voters they are giving the House impeachment charges a serious review." So that leads to two questions. Who are the few Republicans who are inclined to vote to remove Trump and which half dozen Republicans will have to choose between their own careers and his presidency? My guess-- strictly from statement in the last week-- is that Mitt Romney and Lisa Murkowski will vote to remove Trump. Were they to vote to find him guilty alone-- and if all the Democrats also did (including Trump-friendly Democrats Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema and politically-vulnerable Doug Jones of Alabama)-- that would still not be enough to remove him and Trump would be in a position to seek terrible revenge against Romney and Murkowski. This ad, running on every Fox News channel in Utah, is what he had done just because Romney criticized him:
The Republicans in seven swing states who may feel they need to vote for removal to be reelected next year are:
• Cory Gardner of Colorado-- minus 15Trump's approval rating is in negative territory in each these states and the numbers are shown above. Alaska, where Trump's popularity has crashed by an astounding 23 points and is now just +1 is a separate problem, as Sullivan is likely to withdraw and take a job in the administration, making it likely that Sarah Palin will make a run for a seat that looks like it will slip out of the GOP's grasp. The only other Republicans-- not up for reelection-- I can see considering voting "guilty" besides Romney and Murkowski would be Jerry Moran of Kansas... and that's a stretch, considering that even if all these Republicans vote to remove, it still wouldn't be enough and Trump would be around to give them, all a hard time (to put it mildly) That's why he wanted that Romney video out-- which he tweeted today. He wants Republicans in Congress to know what he has in store for them if any of them betray him.
• Joni Ernst of Iowa-- minus 14
• Susan Collins of Maine-- minus 13
• Martha McSally of Arizona-- minus 4
• Thom Tillis of North Carolina-- minus 3
• Steve Daines of Montana-- minus 3
• Ben Sasse of Nebraska-- minus 2
Hulse wrote that Moscow Mitch is "walking a careful line of his own in managing the fast-moving impeachment process. On Friday, the senator wrote a scathing op-ed criticizing the president’s decision to pull back troops from northern Syria, calling it a 'grave strategic mistake.' But Mr. McConnell views it as his role to protect a president of his own party from impeachment and in a recent fund-raising video, he vowed to stop it. The mood among Republicans on Capitol Hill has shifted from indignant to anxious as a parade of administration witnesses has submitted to closed-door questioning by impeachment investigators and corroborated central elements of the whistle-blower complaint that sparked the inquiry.
Senator Lisa Murkowski-- an Alaskan Republican who is seen as potentially open to removing Mr. Trump from office-- told reporters that a president should never engage in the kinds of actions that Mr. Mulvaney appeared to acknowledge.I think he's may be wrong about that. There are 6 Democratic senators-- Bernie, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Amy Klobuchar and Michael Bennet-- running for president who would have to leave the campaign trail for a Senate trial. They'll let Pelosi know if they want to trial to come soon to to come or later.
“You don’t hold up foreign aid that we had previously appropriated for a political initiative,” she said. “Period.”
Still, Republicans said they did not detect a significant shift that would pose a serious threat to the president in the Senate. It would require 20 Republicans to side with Democrats in convicting Mr. Trump, and few observers believe that will happen.
Mr. McConnell, his allies said, regards the impeachment fight in much the same way as he did the struggle last year to confirm Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, in which he was primarily concerned with protecting his Senate majority by insulating vulnerable incumbents. Then, as now, they said, Mr. McConnell is focused on keeping Republicans as united as possible, while allowing those with reservations about Mr. Trump’s conduct and their own political considerations to justify their decision to their constituents.
“I think he will play it straight,” said Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas and a close McConnell ally, who noted his party’s narrow voting margin. “I don’t think he has any alternative. When you are operating with 53 you have thin margins and you can’t jam anybody or you end up with undesirable consequences.”
Mr. McConnell has told colleagues he expects the House to impeach Mr. Trump quickly, possibly by Thanksgiving, an educated hunch based on the pace of the inquiry so far and Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s decision to keep the inquiry narrowly focused on Mr. Trump’s dealings with Ukraine. He plans to move swiftly too, he told colleagues, using the approach of Christmas to force the Senate to complete its work before the beginning of 2020.
Pelosi would like the impeachment to be bipartisan. She can count on Independent Justin Amash to vote for impeachment but he's an ex-Republican, so that doesn't really count as bipartisan. She wants some Republican votes (which will also allow her to excuse a few more Democrats in deep red districts from voting against impeachment. Remember, there are still 9 who are still officially opposed to even an impeachment inquiry!) Yesterday the Washington Post published Fractures emerge in Trump's firewall by Rachel Bade, Mike DeBonis and Seung Min KIm. Their point even if House GOP leadership is attached to Trump at the hip, a growing number of backbenchers are... at least grumbling. Bade called it "exasperation" over what they view as Trumpanzee’s "indefensible behavior, a sign that the president’s stranglehold on his party is starting to weaken as Congress hurtles toward a historic impeachment vote. In interviews with more than 20 GOP lawmakers and congressional aides in the past 48 hours, many said they were repulsed by Trump’s decision to host an international summit at his own resort and incensed by acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney’s admission-- later withdrawn-- that U.S. aid to Ukraine was withheld for political reasons. Others expressed anger over the president’s abandonment of Kurdish allies in Syria." So where do they see possible impeachment yes votes? My own guess would be Brian Fitzpatrick because his suburban Philly district demands it. The district voted for Hillary over Trump by 2 points. Bade and her colleagues had other ideas.
One Republican, Rep. Francis Rooney (FL)-- whose district Trump carried by 22 percentage points-- did not rule out voting to impeach the president and compared the situation to the Watergate scandal that ended Richard Nixon’s presidency.
“I’m still thinking about it, you know?” Rooney said of backing impeachment. “I’ve been real mindful of the fact that during Watergate, all the people I knew said, ‘Oh, they’re just abusing Nixon, and it’s a witch hunt.’ Turns out it wasn’t a witch hunt. It was really bad.”
The GOP’s rising frustration is a break from the past three years, when congressional Republicans almost uniformly defended Trump through a series of scandals that engulfed the White House. There’s now a growing sense among a quiet group of Republicans that the president is playing with fire, taking their loyalty for granted as they’re forced to “defend the indefensible,” as a senior House Republican said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to talk frankly.
A few Republicans are starting to say they flat-out won’t do it anymore-- particularly the president’s choice of his Trump National Doral Miami golf resort for next year’s Group of Seven summit of world leaders, a selection that will benefit him financially.
“You have to go out and try to defend him. Well, I don’t know if I can do that!” steamed a frustrated Rep. Mike Simpson (R-ID). “I have no doubt that Doral is a really good place-- I’ve been there, I know. But it is politically insensitive. They should have known what the kickback is going to be on this, that politically he’s doing it for his own benefit.
” To be sure, Republican leadership in the House and Senate-- and many rank-and-file GOP lawmakers-- are still firmly behind Trump, who remains immensely popular with the party base. While several have criticized the president over policy, such as the withdrawal of U.S. forces from northern Syria, they have argued against impeachment.
On Friday, Trump’s top allies continued to defend him, playing down the Doral announcement and doing damage control for Mulvaney’s blunder, in which their former House colleague contradicted Trump’s “no quid pro quo” talking point and admitted that the president had withheld nearly $400 million in military aid to force Ukraine to pursue an investigation that would benefit him politically.
Hours after the comments, Mulvaney sought to walk back his remarks.
“I don’t see what the big deal is, frankly,” Rep. Rodney Davis (R-IL) said of Trump’s decision to host the G-7 at Doral.
On Ukraine, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) said, “I think Mick was very clear in cleaning up the statement, that there was no quid pro quo.”
Other Republicans shrugged off the latest controversies, including Trump’s choice of his Florida resort for the international meeting.
“I think the optics aren’t good... but we have a lot more problems to worry about,” said Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC).
Rep. Tom Cole (R-OK) said the Doral announcement “doesn’t bother me a great deal” even as he admitted, “I think there is certainly an appearance of conflict of interest.”
Still, there was a notable shift in tone, even among some of Trump’s most adamant defenders. On Friday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) criticized Trump’s Syria decision in an op-ed in The Washington Post, just days after 129 House Republicans backed a resolution condemning the president’s move.
“Withdrawing U.S. forces from Syria is a grave strategic mistake,” wrote McConnell, who rarely criticizes Trump and never mentioned the president’s name in the op-ed. “It will leave the American people and homeland less safe, embolden our enemies, and weaken important alliances.”
Meanwhile, several GOP lawmakers have reached out to White House officials to urge Trump to reconsider his Doral decision, which they worry smacks of corruption, according to GOP officials familiar with the conversations who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk candidly. At the very least, they’re pressing Trump to publicly commit to hosting the international leaders free, to avoid any appearance that he’s using his office to enrich himself.
“This is a legitimate criticism. The profit issue? That clearly has to be transparent,” said one longtime Trump ally, Rep. Tom Reed (R-NY), who has raised his own concerns and is under the impression that Trump will host the event without charge.
Reed often criticizes Joe Biden for allowing his son Hunter to be paid $50,000 a month for sitting on a Ukrainian board while he was vice president. Reed said that standard “applies to anyone else, including everybody in the White House.”
“I would encourage those at the White House to look at the optics and appearance of this,” he continued. “Even the appearance of impropriety is something we need to take into consideration. I have concerns about this.”
"Super-ethical, always legal" by Nancy Ohanian
Reed isn’t alone.
“I’m not sure the wisdom of that” Doral decision, said Rep. Paul Mitchell (R-MI), who announced his retirement this year in part out of frustration with Trump. “It just further fans the flames that the Democrats have been ranting about.”
Some Republicans are skeptical that Trump will hear them out, however, noting that in the past he’s scolded his own children for allowing charity events on his property without charging. “Zero chance they do it for free,” one GOP official predicted. “Remember all the Eric Trump cancer fundraiser stuff? Trump went ballistic when he found out the club wasn’t charging the charity.”
Republicans are also privately griping about Mulvaney’s admission on Ukraine. “Get over it,” Mulvaney told reporters at the White House on Thursday before he walked it back.
“It’s not an Etch A Sketch,” said Rooney, who asked: “What is a walkback? I mean, I tell you what, I’ve drilled some oil wells I’d like to walk back-- dry holes.”
He added: “I couldn’t believe it... When the president has said many times there wasn’t a quid pro quo... and now Mick Mulvaney goes up and says, ‘Yeah, it was all part of the whole plan!’”
As a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rooney has participated in the closed-door interviews of current and former Trump administration officials in the impeachment probe.
He said he has been increasingly concerned by revelations regarding the Trump administration’s dealings with Ukraine, but at this point he did not see the allegations against Trump rising to the level of Nixon’s wrongdoing. “But I think we need to get all the facts on the table. And every time one of these ambassadors comes and talks, we learn a lot more.”
The new GOP grievances with Trump couldn’t come at a worse time for the president.
House Democratic leaders are moving rapidly in their impeachment probe and could hold a vote by the holiday season. They have been turning up an increasingly robust body of evidence showing that the president pressured Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden, a 2020 presidential contender, and his son Hunter.
Additionally, a majority of voters now back the idea of ousting Trump from office-- even more Republicans are supporting impeachment.
Yet Republicans believe that Trump has made it harder for them to help him politically survive impeachment and win reelection. For one, his Doral announcement undercuts his own argument that Biden did something wrong when he allowed his son to make a profit from a Ukraine company board. Trump is now boosting his own bottom line from the Oval Office, they noted.
Even House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA), who frequently appears on Fox News to praise Trump, seemed uncomfortable about the Doral decision. Asked if he had a problem with it, he responded: “I don’t know how decisions are made on something like the G-7. Secret Service and a lot of other agents are involved with that and concerned about security... so I don’t’ know what factors they used in deciding the locations.”
Labels: impeaching Trump, Soft Cell, The Supremes
7 Comments:
If I'm not mistaken, the only 'supreme' present would be Roberts who would act as presiding judge. If the other 4 Nazis show up to watch, I would not be shocked if they all wore maga hats (made in china), which are the American swastikas.
you can stop guessing who will and who won't. No matter what proofs are offered, I'd wager only 1 Nazi may vote guilty (Romney). But at least 1 democrap will vote NOT guilty (manchin) so quit ignoring him.
Pelosi has already debased herself, her party and the constitution by delaying this and by NOT including murders (kids at the border), torture, kidnapping and concentration camps. This looks like the democraps taking a dive on removal while they try to punish trump for trying to smear their 2020 jesus (biden) and maybe suppress some of the independent turnout for trump.
If you're a lefty and still have the ability to think, you should be thoroughly disgusted with the democraps. And if you're older than 30, you should have been thoroughly disgusted before this.
It is clear that Nancy Pelosi really doesn't want to do this. The tell is in the minimal list of charges she's considering from the much longer list available. That alone is sufficient to make a discerning voter thoroughly disgusted.
But one has to also be thoroughly disgusted at the American voter. Too many are still blindly following the Trumpster Fire over the cliff. Too many still allow corrupt Democratic Party leaders to steal their decision as to their candidate. Too many remain silent about the GOP plan to eliminate primary elections to protect Trump from embarrassment. And of these groups, too many still don't see the desperate rear-guard action corporatism is fighting against the American people.
There is a real opportunity to get Big Money out of our politics. It can only begin with the 2020 election. It will have to be continued with each subsequent election. It can be lost in an instant.
Having to rely upon the American voter fills me with dread. As far back as Edward Bernays working for Wilson to get America into the Great War in Europe, they have proven to be zombies easily led to destruction. The techniques used to get them to that condition have only improved in effectiveness.
The onslaught has barely begun.
8:20, just one question. How can there be ANY opportunity to get big money out of politics? they won't even clean it up by keeping foreign influences out. they won't even stop rigging their own elections. They refused every opportunity to clean up the 2000 and 2004 Nazi party rigging.
You made the point that the lefty voters are totally to blame here... mostly for being dumber than shit (for 40 years at least). All but the recently enlightened are going to still vote for democraps out of fear of trump. And you and I both know that won't do shit even if they all win.
so.. how?
Trial? Pelosi would have to allow the judiciary to address it AND allow a house vote on it first.
neither is likely. this has that familiar stench of a really bad mime on the street corner pretending to be in a box.
It's a step in the process. I'm sure that when Mao began the Long March some of his people didn't see the value in continuing to follow him. Who ended up winning in China again?
Replacing the elected corporatists is the first thing that has to be done, and that will take a few electoral cycles. This is why I say that it can be lost in an instant since we know the parties will do all they can to maintain control.
As for the voters, I didn't single out lefty voters. How many of them are following the Trumpster Fire over the cliff? I singled out all voters, because they are lazy and let their side of the corporate media do their thinking for them. They are far more interested in the NFL than they are the governance of their nation.
Your observations about foreign money and electoral rigging are noted. I did mention some of the rigging in my comment, just not in the historical detail that you did.
Few voters probably remember these details, which is one reason why I am not especially hopeful about relying upon the electorate to act as necessary. But my STEM experience taught me to hope for the best while expecting the worst.
So I recognize the possibility of success while seeing the probability of disappointment. One still has to fire the skyrocket to see what will happen.
"... that will take a few electoral cycles"
how many in a "few". I ask because this coming cycle will be the 22nd consecutive cycle since the war was declared (Reagan, 1980) and we've only lost ground. There are now fewer than a dozen total in congress that can be reasonably considered NOT corporatists. The new rules imposed in the DxCCs aim to make the party pure.
so if 22 isn't enough, I'm curious how many you think it may take... and then maybe you can share your hypothesis on what forces might emerge to cause change. I see nothing but forces to make the partys pure.
and the reason for that is, as always, voters are simply too fucking stupid (, lazy, gullible...).
There is no way to know 9:08. Far too many variables outside the control of mere mortals.
Post a Comment
<< Home