The Trump Ad That Could Win Biden The Nomination-- A Set Up For Dumb Dems?
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Writing for the Washington Post, Alexandra Petri insists Trump isn't the clown and imbecile many people see him as, but a brilliant and calculating mastermind who is methodically going about winning his reelection battle. It's "all part of a plan," the wrote. "[E]very move that Trump makes, has made or is making... is planned. It is a genius plan. It might look like the random, haphazard flailing of a cat that has gotten its head stuck in a bucket. But actually he is in total control." She asserts it's all about impeachment. "Getting himself impeached is actually a strategic triumph for President Trump, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just not playing chess in enough dimensions. Consider what is the greater mark of strategic genius: to mire yourself and your administration in an endless series of idiotic and pointless controversies, often rife with misspellings, damaging your standing at home and abroad, or to NOT do that? If you say the second, you are a fool. This is all part of the plan. Actually, this is good. Actually, this is great." Once the youngest person with her own Post column, Petri is a comedian. I'm not.
Trump's in trouble. His approval numbers are underwater everywhere. His net approval in key battleground states his campaign says it can win:
• North Carolina- minus 3Remember that big trip to New Mexico he just did-- to sew top a win there? He's minus 16 in New Mexico, about the same as New Jersey. He's even minus 2 in Utah and Nebraska... but it's Ohio Team Trump is most worried about. There is no path to victory for Trump without Ohio. And in an Emerson poll yesterday a plurality of voters already want him impeached and all the top Democratic potential nominees are beating him statewide:
• Virginia- minus 6
• Arizona- minus 4
• New Hampshire- minus 23
• Minnesota- minus 11
• Pennsylvania- minus 8
• Wisconsin- minus 11
• Montana- minus 3
• Michigan- minus 10
• Iowa- minus 14
• Colorado- minus 15
• Florida- minus 2
• Ohio- minus 5
So that takes us back to a split in the road-- the crazy shit Trump is doing in one direction and the path to possible victory down the other road. There's no shortage of crazy stuff and by the time this post is published there'll be even more than there is while I"m writing it.
In the face of the Ukrainian scandal that's getting him impeached, Trump called for the government of (Communist, anti-christian) China to investigate the Biden's yesterday. Seems crazy, right?. He told reporters that "China should launch an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden. He said that if Congress was "honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens. It’s a very simple answer. They should investigate the Bidens. How does a company newly formed and all these companies-- by the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens. Because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine. So I would say that President Zelensky, if it were me, I would recommend that they start an investigation into the Bidens. Because nobody has any doubt that they weren’t crooked. That was a crooked deal 100%."
The Trump campaign has that ad up top running nationally now. And Señor T is pushing it hard on social media. It's so patently dishonest that CNN won't take their money and run it. I detest Biden and will never vote for him but CNN is correct to not run that ad, "citing falsehoods." The premise of the ad is wrong. Biden went to Ukraine to get the prosecutor fired-- a prosector who was PROTECTING his son's crooked company (Burisma), not prosecuting it. Andrew Kirell (Daily Beast senior editor):
[T]he Ukrainian prosecutor in question, Viktor Shokin, was viewed by multiple international bodies and the Obama administration as deeply ineffective in fighting corruption. The U.S. embassy in 2016 suggested $1 billion in loan guarantees as a way to push the Ukrainian government to enforce stricter anti-corruption policies, including the removal of officials like Shokin.PolitiFact handled it in great depth-- too much for the average voter, let alone the average Trump supporter-- back in May.
Biden publicly took credit for the idea-- as seen in the clips the Trump campaign now weaponizes in the ad-- but international organizations like the G7, International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) all reportedly wanted Shokin ousted.
Shady self-dealing in the Ukraine? It’s not just the Republican side that does that, says a social media meme that makes the charge against Democrat Joe Biden.As I've been saying, Trump can never go head to head on policy with anyone-- especially not Elizabeth Warren or Bernie. His only hope is a race centered on who is the lesser of two evils-- who is the bigger liar; who is more senile; whose family is more disgusting? Is this the kind of debate we want or can even bear?
The episode involved his son Hunter Biden’s work on behalf of a Ukrainian energy company at a time when the elder Biden was vice president and a key figure in U.S. policy on Ukraine. The story has been public for years, but it received new attention with Biden running strong among 2020 Democratic presidential contenders.
One viral image being shared on social media used a bit of reverse psychology, asking what Americans would think if the details of this story involved the Trump family rather than the Biden family. (Trump’s 2016 campaign chair Paul Manafort was convicted of tax and bank fraud for laundering millions in income he earned working for Ukrainian politicians.)
Here’s the text, which is accompanied by a photograph of Hunter Biden embracing his father.
"Did you know that Donald Trump Jr. was named a director to Ukraine’s largest private gas producer following a Ukrainian visit by President Trump? Trump later threatened to withhold $1 BILLION in U.S. aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire a prosecutor looking into Don Jr.’s company. Just kidding! That was Joe Biden when he was VP, and his son Hunter Biden."Is it true, as the image suggests, that Hunter Biden was serving as "a director to Ukraine’s largest private gas producer" when the elder Biden "threatened to withhold $1 BILLION in U.S. aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire a prosecutor looking into" the gas company?
Key takeaways • Hunter Biden did hold a directorship for a Ukrainian gas company while his father was vice president. Experts agree that Hunter Biden's acceptance of the position created a conflict of interest for his father.
• Vice President Joe Biden did urge Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor, with the threat of withholding U.S. aid. But that was the position of the wider U.S. government, as well as other international institutions.
• We found no evidence to support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind, as the message suggests. It's not even clear that the company was actively under investigation or that a change in prosecutors benefited it.
What was Hunter Biden’s role?
Hunter Biden did hold a directorship with a natural gas company called Burisma Holdings, beginning in the spring of 2014.
Reuters reported at the time that a statement on the company’s website said the younger Biden "would help the company with "transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion," and other issues. The company also retained the law firm where Biden had been working, Boies Schiller Flexner.
The position with Burisma came at a time when the younger Biden had joined with Christopher Heinz (the stepson of then-Sen. John Kerry, D-MA) and Devon Archer (a Kerry family friend) in a string of investment and consulting firms. Firms run by Biden and Archer "pursued business with international entities that had a stake in American foreign policy decisions, sometimes in countries where connections implied political influence and protection," the New York Times reported.
Biden’s Burisma directorship attracted attention because Burisma was owned by Mykola Zlochevsky, a minister under Russia-friendly President Viktor F. Yanukovych who subsequently went into exile after a popular revolution. After Yanukovych was ousted, Zlochevsky faced a variety of corruption-related investigations involving his business.
In 2015, Ukraine’s newly appointed prosecutor general Viktor Shokin inherited some of the investigations into Zlochevsky and his company. (Zlochevsky and the company have denied the allegations.) Shokin was ousted as prosecutor in 2016. Shokin is the prosecutor the viral post is talking about (more on that later).
Did Joe Biden know about his son’s Ukrainian ties?
The Biden campaign told PolitiFact that the vice president learned about his son's role on the board through media reports and never discussed anything related to this company with his son.
In a White House press briefing on May 13, 2014, spokesman Jay Carney was asked about it, and whether it presented the appearance of a conflict of interest.
Carney said, "I would refer you to the Vice President’s office. I saw those reports. Hunter Biden and other members of the Biden family are obviously private citizens and where they work does not reflect an endorsement by the administration or by the Vice President or President. But I would refer you to the Vice President’s office."
A year and a half later, the New York Times published an article that suggested that "the credibility of the vice president’s anti-corruption message may have been undermined" by Hunter Biden’s dealings with the company.
In that 2015 article, Kate Bedingfield, a spokeswoman for the vice president, played down any impact on the elder Biden’s policies.
"Hunter Biden is a private citizen and a lawyer," she said. "The vice president does not endorse any particular company and has no involvement with this company. The vice president has pushed aggressively for years, both publicly with groups like the U.S.-Ukraine Business Forum and privately in meetings with Ukrainian leaders, for Ukraine to make every effort to investigate and prosecute corruption in accordance with the rule of law. It will once again be a key focus during his trip this week."
Hunter Biden told the New York Times this month in a statement that "at no time have I discussed with my father the company’s business, or my board service, including my initial decision to join the board."
Did Biden make a threat to Ukraine?
The post said Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion unless the prosecutor-- Shokin-- was fired. Biden didn’t just make a threat to withhold aid unless Shokin was sacked-- it succeeded.
Biden proudly recounted the moment during an event sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations on Jan. 23, 2018. Here’s the relevant portion of Biden’s remarks, which at points were accompanied by laughter from the audience:
"I remember going over (to Ukraine), convincing our team … that we should be providing for loan guarantees. … And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from (then Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko) and from (then-Prime Minister Arseniy) Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor (Shokin). And they didn’t...Shokin’s ouster came in March 2016, when he was stripped of his position by a wide margin in the legislature.
"They were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah... we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, ‘You have no authority. You’re not the president.’... I said, call him. I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion... I looked at them and said, ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.’ Well, son of a bitch. He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."
Why would Biden have pressured Ukraine over firing the prosecutor?
There’s a strong case that Hunter Biden’s position with the company had nothing to do with Biden’s position on Shokin’s ouster. That’s because Western leaders and institutions were largely united in seeking Shokin’s removal, arguing that he was not pursuing corruption cases aggressively.
For instance, in early 2016, International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde said that "it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue" unless corruption prosecutions accelerate.
Steven Pifer is a career foreign service officer who was ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton and deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs under President George W. Bush. Pifer told PolitiFact that "virtually everyone" he knew in the U.S. government and virtually all non-governmental experts on Ukraine "felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired. As far as I can recall, they all concurred with the vice president telling Poroshenko that the U.S. government would not extend the $1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine until Shokin was removed from office."
Anders Åslund, a resident senior fellow at Atlantic Council, a think tank in Washington, agreed that criticism of Shokin was widespread.
Shokin "failed to prosecute anybody of significance, protecting both the Yanukovych circle and the Poroshenko group," Åslund said.
Daria Kaleniuk, the executive director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center, a leading anti-corruption voice in Ukraine, tweeted earlier this month that Shokin’s firing was not about protecting the company Hunter Biden was working for. The firing "was obviously not because the prosecutor wanted to investigate Burisma & Zlochevsky," she wrote.
Meanwhile, accounts differ on whether Shokin was poised to prosecute Burisma at the time he was removed.
In an interview with the Ukrainian website Strana.ua this month, Shokin said the cases were indeed active.
However, Vitaliy Kasko, who had been Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, produced documents to Bloomberg that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.
"There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky," Kasko told Bloomberg. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015."
Even if Hunter Biden’s position with Burisma had no impact on his father’s policies, were his ties still problematic?
We found wide agreement among Ukraine policy experts that Hunter Biden’s decision to become a director for Burisma presented a serious conflict of interest.
"It’s not a crime, but it is a lapse. It’s troubling," said Lincoln A. Mitchell, an adjunct research scholar at Columbia University’s Arnold A. Saltzman Institute of War and Peace Studies who has written about governance in the former Soviet Union.
Pifer, who expressed reservations about the arrangement to the New York Times in 2015, said subsequent developments have only confirmed those concerns.
"It was a mistake for Hunter Biden to join the Burisma board, particularly given that the vice president was the senior U.S. official engaging Ukraine," Pifer said. "Hunter Biden should have been more mindful of his father's position."
And Yoshiko Herrera, a University of Wisconsin professor who previously headed the university’s Center for Russia, East Europe and Central Asia, said Hunter Biden’s hiring echoes the strategy common within Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union, in which powerful interests try to secure influence on foreign policy by leveraging family members and associates of key leaders.
"Calling Hunter Biden a private citizen ignores the obvious links to the vice president," Herrera said. "Conflict-of-interest rules should have applied. If Biden is working for the Obama administration on Ukraine, his son should not have been on the board of a company there that could be affected by U.S. policy spearheaded by his father."
Our ruling
The viral image said that when Hunter Biden was serving as "a director to Ukraine’s largest private gas producer," his father "threatened to withhold $1 BILLION in U.S. aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire a prosecutor looking into" the gas company.
The image gets individual pieces of this assertion right-- Hunter Biden was a director of the company, and Joe Biden did leverage U.S. aid to fire a prosecutor. But it overreaches by assuming that Joe Biden acted to protect the company his son was affiliated with. In reality, there was widespread agreement in the West that the existing prosecutor had to go, and it’s not clear that the company would have benefited from his ouster anyway, given evidence that its cases had long been dormant.
That said, experts criticize the Bidens for their arrangement, saying it could have been a significant conflict of interest.
We rate the statement Half True.
Labels: 2020 presidential election, 2020 presidential nomination, PolitiFact, Ukraine
6 Comments:
I don't bother with the WaPo, so have no way of knowing if Petri's dopey-sounding essay is meant as satire. If Trump gets re-elected (not a pleasant thought, but hardly impossible), it'll be because (1) The Democratic Party is such a fucking disorganized mess (2) The Republican vote suppression effort directed at black and brown people has been pretty successful - depressing as it may be for some to consider, the Democrats could run just about any worthless piece of shit they want and he or she would be guaranteed a win if not for this bullshit (3) The fact that Trump has spent his entire life failing UP. Someone or something ALWAYS comes along to bail him out no matter how obviously he manages to screw the pooch. Trump had been written off by every banking institution in the US when Deutsche Bank came along seemingly out of nowhere and started lending money to Trump and Trump Inc. (more than likely for the sole purpose of using him to launder ill-gotten gains from God only knows how many foreign crooks - Deutche's decision there is certainly not something that could ever be defended or looked at a smart/promising move - almost everyone who'd done business with Trump previously came out of whatever deals they'd made holding the shitty end of the stick).
The only thing I can come up with is that he's the Bizarro-world's version of Chauncey the Gardener from the book/movie Being There.
So Trump can use his hotels to conduct business, filter US government and army officials to his hotels: the same businesses he promised to divest/blind trust when/if elected. Was gonna release his tax returns too. Advocated for Ivanka's clothing lines to open up China for her label. Yet he can focus the whole US media on criticism of Joe Biden's corruption and away fro his. He is made to look like a genius because most of the media is delighted by his ability to produce non-stop click bait headlines which titillates controversy, but does little to inform. To think that Trump will allow any debate with any candidate to drift toward substance or relevant policy shows that you don't understand his one ability, which is to promote.
"To think that Trump will allow any debate with any candidate to drift toward substance or relevant policy shows that you don't understand his one ability, which is to promote."
This is nit-picking, but a guy who's asked a question about "Western Liberalism" and replies with a rambling statement about how bad things are in California does so not because he felt like deliberately deflecting a question he didn't want to answer, but because HE HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE INTERVIEWER MEANT BY THE PHRASE "WESTERN LIBERALISM" is. He'll steer any debate away from substantive issues more out of sheer terror that he will look like a gigantic imbecile in front of millions of people, not because he's some preternaturally brilliant debate strategist. As I said above: Trump just miraculously fails UP. Even his stupidity has somehow become a weapon in his arsenal. I've never seen anything like it and on some level, I get why people are inclined to credit him for some kind of foresight or cleverness because it just defies rational belief that he's gotten as far as he has. But it's worth keeping in mind that Trump didn't even expect to become POTUS. Look at the pictures of him on the night he won - he looks grim. His plan was to lose and then make a killing off his grievances - write a book, maybe start a new conservative network. Again - I won't be surprised if he gets re-elected - it's in keeping with his inability to fail and just fall off the face of the Earth the way someone with his low IQ and non-existent talent should have long ago.
any trump intent to make biden the nom is wholly redundant.
the DNC has it in the bag for biden to win the nom. I've mapped out their strategery here many times and will, for the sake of the few snowflakes who cannot tolerate pleonasm, skip it this time. but it's in the bag. If fascist joe can avoid lighting himself on fire until after super Tuesday, he's the nom.
period.
No one should believe anything either The New York Times OR The Washington Post has to say. Each represents one face of the corrupt corporatist party and is used to spread lies intended to divert the American people from discovering just how much these criminals are damaging their futures.
Remember - both helped put Trump into power. Nuff sed?
@2:22 pm
I'm not a betting man, but if we were friends (which is impossible, since we both know you have no social life due to your general tendency to be boring and repetitive along with the near-toxic combination of pretension and portentousness oozing out of everything you post) I'd bet a few bucks that you're wrong.
PS- The closest thing to a snowflake around here is YOU, dope. Stop kidding yourself! My dislike of you stems from the fact that you're a dullard and so EXTREMELY full of yourself. There is NOTHING funnier than the internet jack-off who thinks he (or she) is universally disliked anywhere they go because they're just so inarguably RIGHT about everything. YES, OF COURSE YOU ARE! THERE IS SUCH A THING AS OBJECTIVE TRUTH AND YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE PLANET WHO HAS FULL, UNFETTERED ACCESS TO IT! AND WHAT IS THE BIG TRUTH YOU'VE COME TO SHARE WITH US? DON'T VOTE FOR DEMOCRAPS, THEY'RE AWFUL!
You crack me up. For reals, yo.
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