Saturday, October 19, 2019

Tulsi v Hillary... Godzilla v Destroyah


Although... she's not wrong about the personification of the rot

Not everyone wishes Hillary would go away-- or at least go silent until after the election-- but everyone I know does. This blog has been a bastion of anti-Tulsi sentiment for at least 6 years, when she started serving in Congress. And it really has been a go-to-spot for all Tulsi's history long before she was known on the national stage. Take a look. I had a nice meeting with her before she declared she was running and she answered all my questions and then asked me to stop writing about her so negatively while she was running for president. I've refrained from the gratuitous remarks and covered her the same way I would cover any candidate. Now she's not really running for president any longer. She's running for governor of Hawaii (2022). She sees it as a better path to the White House in the future. Yesterday, though, Hillary gave her her biggest day of the campaign.

What Hillary had to say on David Plouffe's podcast was beneath her. She shouldn't have mentioned Tulsi-- even if she actually never actually did (at least not by name)-- at least in part because she doesn't know what she's talking about. Tulsi isn't going to run as a third party spoiler and it just made Hillary sound like a conspiracy nut to say so.

I doubt the Russians are "grooming" Tulsi but maybe Hillary knows more about that than I do. "I'm not making any predictions, but I think they've got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She's the favorite of the Russians... They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far." What is Plouffe doing, a gossip show?

"If the nesting doll fits," Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill said when asked if the former secretary of state was referring to Gabbard.

"This is not some outlandish claim. This is reality," Merrill said. "If the Russian propaganda machine, both their state media and their bot and troll operations, is backing a candidate aligned with their interests, that is just a reality, it is not speculation."

Gabbard, in a late August interview with CNN, ruled out a third-party bid.

"I will not," the Hawaii Democrat told CNN. "No, I have ruled that out."

Gabbard has tried to fight off the charge that she is being pushed by Russian interests.

"Just two days ago, the New York Times put out an article saying that I'm a Russian asset and an Assad apologist and all these different smears," Gabbard said, referring to a recent story that said she is being backed by Russians on Twitter. "This morning, a CNN commentator said on national television that I'm an asset of Russia. Completely despicable."

Clinton also accused Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate in both the 2012 and 2016 elections, of being a "Russian asset."

"That's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not, because she's also a Russian asset," Clinton said. "Yes, she's a Russian asset, I mean, totally. They know they can't win without a third-party candidate."
Now read these tweets. They're absolutely epic!

Now Tulsi is raising money by bashing the hapless, bumbling Hillary. In a fundraising e-mail, her campaign wrote "Hillary Clinton accused Tulsi Gabbard-- a combat veteran, soldier and Major in the Army National Guard-- of being 'groomed' to be a 'Russian asset.' ... If this a fight she wants to have, one that has implications for all of us and the future of our democracy, then I challenge her to come out from behind her proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media, and face me directly." And late last night Justin Amash (I-MI) jumped into the fray as well... and I have to admit, I like this man's thinking on this matter:

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At 9:47 PM, Blogger Ten Bears said...

If it walks like a duck, squawks like a duck ...

I'll not defend Gabbard, she's a Russian stooge, but to be fair there are three women that fit the profile, Gabbard is just the most likely. To be honest, my first impression is/was someone really wants Clinton to run again. Really, really wants Clinton to run ...

The answer is never the answer, what's really interesting is the mystery *

At 10:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hillary is not "hapless and bumbling". She is a conniving, malignant manipulator and highly contagious. The Queen of You Me personally injected the poisonous sore loser lie into the country's political bloodstream that Putin stole the election from her. Her nonsensical attack on Tulsi Gabbard (and Jill Stein fer godsake!) was the act of a viper intent on injecting another dose of her poison into the 2020 election. Hillary ads should run on the evening news where all the other cancer ads are shown. Unfortunately, Hillary may be the Dementedcrat Party's Plan B when the Jalopy Joe Biden act finally flops.

At 10:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That should read "Queen of You Owe Me" … oops, just a bit of hapless bumbling on my part I guess

At 11:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that Hillary appears to be making a move to step in. After all, SOMEONE has to save corporatism from the wrath of We the People if Joe Biden can't. Neither Mayo Pete (DINO-MCKinsey) nor Klobuchar caught on with the voters no matter what they tried. Who does that leave? Beto???

Hillary has to be itching for a rematch with Trump, and she still attracts a huge base of support among the unthinking sheep the Party loves to attract. Those with a brain aren't likely to fall for her second attempt at coronation, though. They know from the results of the last election that support for Hillary is not as widespread as the Electoral College would need to deliver a Clinton win.

Frankly, as much as the thought chills me, I'd rather have Tulsi than Hillary any day. I'd still have trouble voting for the future gubernatorial candidate of Honolulu, because the more I see and hear of her, the less I trust her. But Hillary is a known quantity, and I want no more of that mess.

At 6:43 AM, Anonymous Jill said...

It IS possible for BOTH of these things to be true:

1) That Tulsi Gabbard is at least being looked at by Russia to be its next Jill Stein; and
2) That Hillary Clinton represents corrupt "centrism" at its worst and needs to get some help to get over 2016 already.

Whether Russia succeeds remains to be seen. Regardless, Tulsi Gabbard is no progressive dreamboat.

At 7:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did not need to be reminded why I loathe $hillbillary. I do not need to be reminded why I loathe tulsi.

I would not hesitate to vote for Stein again, and $hillbillary's charge would only tend to encourage me.

And you can forget beto. he lit himself on fire with his comment on guns. the democraps are stupid, but smart enough not to nominate him and make trump's re-election a landslide. all the Nazis would have to do would be to run beto's sound bite on a constant loop.

if biden-stink becomes too much, it looks like it'll be McKenzie. he's a better liar than amy. it will never be Bernie nor Elizabeth.

At 8:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

McKinzie would love for Mayo Pete to be the nominee. then they could do to the entire country what they did to my employer and so many other companies: make almost as many managers as there are workers at great cost to the company.

I sometimes wonder if the McKinzie management model isn't a compilation of Hitler's Germany and the Stasi regime of East Germany, which essentially had the entire nation under surveillance. Even though the USA is already under a great deal of surveillance, it can and will get worse if McKinzie is allowed access to the Federal government.

At 12:37 PM, Anonymous Hone said...

Here goes...Hone against the tide.

Hillary is a patriot, highly intelligent and perceptive. This is not debatable whatever else one may think of her. In 2016 I understood all the anger toward Hillary and felt a lot of it myself, but in retrospect I feel it was way over emphasized. Too many progressives fell for it. To respond to an Anonymous above, I do not see Hillary as a viper/manipulator. She is one hell of a smart cookie. In fact, listening to her on MSNBC recently was very refreshing. Her grasp on what is going on is very right on. Now we know that Russia was behind a great deal of the bad mouthing against her. Wow she would have been a zillion times better than the dangerous moron we have now. While I love Bernie and voted for him in the primary (and may well do so again), I had no problem voting for Hillary in the election. Hey, I read Noam Chomsky's take on the lesser of two evils, and the contrast in retrospect is a no brainer. I strongly suspect Hillary is correct about Gabbard.

Jill Stein was shown in that infamous photo sitting a table with Putin in Russia and she may well have been funded by Putin. Stein took enough votes away from Hillary to affect the election. She was a SHIT with ZERO experience in politics and had no business running. I get furious whenever I think of the progressives who voted for her instead of Hillary. She was not an acceptable third part candidate, even if people felt it necessary to vote for one. Gabbard is also a SHIT and her talking points were surprising and rather unwelcome during the debate. She is NOT to be trusted. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

At 2:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hone, we know $hillbillary is your golden calf.

Your worship of her does not make her total corruption nor what she did to Ukraine and Honduras (et al, for the benefit of corporate donors) as sec state excusable or less misanthropic.

how many billion humans also worship the god of the OT who, among other genocides, ordered his puppets to kill all Canaanites? I mean, if he really existed... but the worship is real.

Your worship of HER is in that same vein. sad to say.

If putin financed the greens, same problem as the Russians funding the Nazis via the NRA. it should be fixed.

Neither party will fix it, though. They've both had opportunities and refused.

At 3:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


Hillary may well be "highly intelligent and perceptive", but she's no patriot. At least not toward the United States. She salutes the corporate flag, especially that of Walmart. She's a loyal minion of Wall Street, who does everything they can to exploit the people of the US and the political unrest across the globe which affects everyone else. Her foundation didn't become plush just because she knows how to smile for the camera.

But most of all, I don't trust her. She lost my trust bungling the health care plan while Bill was president. Frankly, she wasn't showing much intelligence and perception trying to push that corporatist mess through the Congress.

But you do you, Hone.

At 6:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Hillary is a groomed asset for Goldman-Sachs who invest in the death of human beings for profit and the detriment of the american people. That people believe Hillary’s sad excuse for her own personality defects can’t accept her failures. Tulsi was a medic in war zones and she has the mental imagery the human costs of Hillary/GoldmanSachs regime change wars for oil. Tulsi wants to end these wars which happen to be the supermarket for the US’s #1 export- weapons. So you’re either with savage culture destroying capitalist death machine or you’re a Russian doll with the morals to know killing for profit is a bad thing? Butter Red than splttered brain dead.

At 6:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hone is the only reasonable person in these comments. The rest of the commenters are a bunch of sexist, misogynist conspiracy theorists. Go back and read your idiotic comments and get real.

At 9:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:41, your comment also applies to you.

I've reread all comments. Hone's is the only one obviously offered by a blind worshipper of the greatest bank whore in history. I also did not see sexism, unless you see criticism of a female is, in itself, sexist.

I see it as those who loathe the epitome of corruption and misanthropy vs. Hone who loves HER (because she's a woman?).

At 9:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll give Hone credit for courage though. I think deep down she knows she's wrong, but just couldn't help herself on this one.


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