Tuesday, June 04, 2019

No, Not ALL The House Democrats Are Cowards Worthy Of Contempt

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Their time is passed for the kind of energy it would take to fight for impeachment-- old and in the way

There are various whip counts of which Democrats support and which Democrats do not support impeachment. The New York Times tally says 54 House Democrats support impeachment, 58 do not support it and 123 have not committed. And then there's Justin Amash, the only House Republican to support impeachment. It takes just 118 votes to approve a resolution to begin a formal impeachment process. None of the whip counts are the same. For example, take the Times' interpretation of Judiciary Committee member Karen Bass' spokesperson: "If there’s a vote on opening an impeachment inquiry in the House Judiciary Committee, Representative Bass would vote yes, as indicated by her voting record established by the two votes she’s already taken on the House floor against tabling an impeachment resolution." The Times puts her under the "59 do not support now or undecided" column. I'd put her in the "56 support" column. But we'll use The Times faulty whip list anyway, since they're all faulty. First off, there are 13 on the Judiciary Committee Democrats calling for impeachment (not including Bass). There are 8 Judiciary Committee members most of whom are basically sating, "You may not have noticed before, but I have no brain and I will do whatever Pelosi tells me to do. Best example-- Hakeem Jeffries: "not at this time." Others, like Bass, are more nuanced. Eric Swalwell says he is "preparing for impeachment," which doesn't sound like a no to me. Most members are just hiding and refusing to answer. My Twitter followers answered this question correctly: 



I've arranged the ones who are for impeachment by their district's PVI. The bluer the district, the higher on the list (and the more likely they are unlikely to get into any political trouble back home by backing impeachment (bolded members are on the Judiciary Committee):
Adriano Espaillat (NY-13)- D+43
Dwight Evans (PA-03)- D+41
Barbara Lee (CA-13)- D+40
Danny Davis (IL-07)- D+38
Nanette Barragán (CA-44)- D+35
Ayanna Pressley (MA-07)- D+34
Pramila Jayapal (WA-07)- D+33
Rashida Tlaib (MI-13)- D+33
Chuy Garcia (IL-04)- D+33
AOC (NY-14)- D+29
Maxine Waters (CA-43)- D+29
Robin Kelly (IL-02)- D+29
Al Green (TX-09)- D+29
Steve Cohen (TN-09)- D+28
Brendan Boyle (PA-02)- D+27
Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18)- D+27
Bobby Rush (IL-01)- D+27
Ilhan Omar (MN-05)- D+26
Cedric Richmond (LA-02)- D+25
Earl Blumenauer (OR-3)- D+24
Jared Huffman (CA-02)- D+22
Juan Vargas (CA-51)- D+22
Mark DeSaulnier (CA-11)- D+21
Don Beyer (VA-08)- D+21
Mike Quigley (IL-05)- D+20
Norma Torres (CA-35)- D+19
Mark Pocan (WI-02)- D+18
Alama Adams (NC-12)- D+18
Veronica Escobar (TX-16)- D+17
G.K. Butterfield (NC-01)- D+17
Ted Lieu (CA-33)- D+16
Lloyd Doggett (TX-35)- D+15
Jamie Raskin (MD-08)- D+14
Betty McCollum (MN-04)- D+14
David Cicciline (RI-01)- D+14
Bennie Thompson (MS-02)- D+14
Alan Lowenthal (CA-47)- D+13
Mary Gay Scanlon (PA-05)- D+13
Raul Grijalva (AZ-03)- D+13
Val Demings (FL-10)- D+11
Joaquin Castro (TX-20)- D+10
Filemon Vela (TX-34)- D+10
Joe Neguse (CO-02)- D+9
Suzanne Bonamici (OR-01)- D+9
Jim McGovern (MA-02)- D+9
Chellie Pingree (ME-01)- D+8
Tim Ryan (OH-13)- D+7
Madeleine Dean (PA-04)- D+7
Paul Tonko (NY-20)- D+7
John Yarmuth (KY-03)- D+6
Seth Moulton (MA-06)- D+6
Darren Soto (FL-09)- D+5
Greg Stanton (AZ-09)- D+4
Kathleen Rice (NY-04)- D+4

Tom Malinowski (NJ-07)- R+3
Young Tom grew up to be a courageous congressman from New Jersey


You'll notice that the one Democrat taking a relatively big chance is TomMalinowski, a freshman, in a red-leaning district and where this will absolutely be an issue. Trump isn't particularly popular there, though-- having lost to Hillary 48.6% to 47.5%.

Everyone has their own reasons for deciding to go for it or not go for it-- and they're not always apparent. Rep. Danny Davis (D) is in a deep blue district where voters hate Trump (he only carried 9.2% of the vote there in 2016) but his motivation may have had more to do with the fact that he has a strong progressive opponent this cycle, Kina Collins. In fact, last night Collins told us that "There is no middle ground for me. We need to investigate him, and we need to impeach him. There has been a complete breach of trust, and a breakdown of the checks and balances that are constitutionally bound. In our current political climate, it is critical that we elevate new leaders who will take bold action. I will not shy away from difficult political fights, and I stand by Congresswoman Maxine Waters who has talked about impeachment from the very beginning. I wonder why it has taken this long for so many other Democrats to step up."

Another interesting dynamic is the one in Rhode Island. There are 2 House seats, one held by David Cicciline, a progressive, and the other by Jim Langevin, a moderate. There's a 50-50 chance that after the census, Rhode Island is going to wind up with just one seat, which could easily result in a Cicciline vs Jim Langevin. And right now, Cicciline is pushing aggressively for impeachment and Langevin's spokesman said "Congressman Langevin does not support opening an inquiry at this time."

In yesterday's Washington Post, Greg Sargent offered data from Nixon's impeachment to show how public support for impeachment would grow (if the Democrats grew a pair). "In early 1973," he explained, "Gallup polling showed that only 19 percent of Americans supported removing President Richard M. Nixon. By the summer of 1974, when Nixon resigned, support had climbed to the high 50s-- which illustrates that on impeachment, public opinion can be moved in a big way, including, presumably on Trump." He pointed to Clyburn lame appearance on CNN over the weekend whining about bringing the public along. before they start impeachment.
So now let’s look at what happened with Nixon in that regard. Gallup provided me with this breakdown of four of its national polls on impeachment (the question wording shifts midway through):



As you can see, among Republicans, support for impeachment or removal moved from 6 percent in June of 1973, to 31 percent in August 1974.

Among independents, those numbers moved from 18 percent to 55 percent. And among Democrats, they moved from 27 percent to 71 percent.

In some ways, this offers more grist for believing that public opinion can be shifted again. Note that the shift was more substantial among independents, eventually amounting to a solid majority, than it was among Republicans.

Right now, independents are a key reason public support for impeachment is low. A recent Post-ABC News poll, which found that only 37 percent of Americans support beginning impeachment proceedings while 56 percent oppose it, also found that among independents, those numbers are 36 percent to 59 percent.

The Gallup numbers on Nixon suggest that big shifts among independents are possible and show that a substantially larger percentage of independents now support impeachment hearings than at the outset in Nixon’s day.

In other words, it might be possible to build majority support for an impeachment inquiry on Trump, even if Republican voters don’t ever move much on this question.

How support grew for impeaching Nixon

Princeton historian Julian Zelizer, the co-author of a new book on U.S. history, points out that some jumps in support for impeaching Nixon came after high-profile events.

For instance, Zelizer noted, the jump in July 1974 came after the House Judiciary Committee launched impeachment hearings in May 1974, and the subsequent jump in August 1974 came after the Committee approved articles of impeachment in July of that year.

It’s clear from the data that impeachment proceedings provided the jolt that shook the public, among independents in particular,” Zelizer told me. “An independent by nature is not going to make a quick decision. Impeachment proceedings and then the approval of articles of impeachment are what ended up moving independents.”

“This wasn’t Congress waiting on the public,” Zelizer added. “It was the other way around-- Congress provided guidance to the public.”

Democratic leaders insist an impeachment inquiry must have bipartisan support, meaning Republicans must come around. If that doesn’t happen, goes this argument, the Senate will acquit, so an impeachment inquiry will rip the country apart and potentially alienate swing voters while resulting in no serious consequences for Trump.

But if anything, this new data casts doubt on that approach. It raises the possibility that public opinion can be shifted in the middle regardless of whether Republicans ever support an inquiry in large percentages. What’s more, note that Republican support for impeaching Nixon never even reached one-third even at the end of the process.

And given current realities-- deep partisan polarization, and the massive media propaganda apparatus Trump enjoys that Nixon never had-- it’s plausible that Republicans could never come around in even those numbers. “Republican voters might be much less movable than in 1974,” Zelizer noted.

Here’s Gallup’s data on Nixon’s approval over the same period:



Try to imagine Trump’s approval among Republicans falling to 50 percent, and you get the idea.

It’s possible that because of this polarization, Republican-leaning independents might also be less movable, but we cannot know this in advance. And it’s also true that in Nixon’s day, there was far more time in advance of the next election to build support, but that perhaps argues for more prompt action now.

The bottom line is that insisting that even an impeachment inquiry can’t happen until Republicans support one might be tantamount to giving Republican intransigence-- and Trump’s disinformation network-- total veto power over whether our political system ever even considers the question of whether Trump’s corruption and misconduct amount to the high crimes and misdemeanors that merit removal.

That is likely tantamount to saying it can never happen at all. If that’s the real point, Democratic leaders should say so.

In fairness, Democratic leaders argue that pushing forward with oversight outside impeachment will shed light on Trump’s misdeeds, and that if this builds support for an inquiry, it might then be appropriate.

Look: If Democrats score multiple oversight wins in court, and new light is being shed on Trump’s corruption, it would be somewhat understandable if they then refrained from an inquiry, though the case for one has already been strong for many months.

But as many legal experts have pointed out, an inquiry would strengthen Democrats’ hands in these very same oversight battles, making success more likely. And if Democrats lose a bunch of them, and we find ourselves in the fall, and Democrats don’t want to launch one due to the looming election, then what?

If you oppose an inquiry, but also want Trump held accountable, you should at least engage with the risks embedded in this scenario-- and with the fact that the current conduct of Democrats could dramatically influence public opinion on the impeachment question. It’s not enough to simply declare that opinion tilts against an inquiry. Democrats don’t lack agency here.

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10 Comments:

At 5:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

long and pointless. it's true that not all of them are worthless feckless corrupt cowards. but it IS true that none of them matter except to empower Pelosi, hoyer and Clyburn (and Pelosi's hand-picked committee chairs).

Pelosi is the only one who means shit in the house when the democraps have numbers. so... what's the point?

if you really, REALLY want representation in the house to be meaningful, you absolutely MUST find a different party. Even if you wait for all those octogenarians to die, there is a fully vetted (by the money) line of succession behind them waiting patiently for their chance to prove their worth to wall street and big oil.

different party of nothing ever changes.

 
At 6:39 AM, Anonymous Hone said...

Nancy's excuses for not impeaching Trump now are total b.s. This has been reiterated by several talking heads, including Michelle Goldberg, who blew away Nancy's talking points in a few concise sentences. Nancy has it all backwards, all wrong.

Trump does NOT want to be impeached, contrary to Nancy's view - it would be a terrible blow to his ego and a black mark as to how he would be viewed in history. He would HATE that. His narcissism could not stand this. It would mean a fight that he greatly fears losing. He does not like to lose.

The theme that waiting for the public to pressure Congress to impeach is ridiculous - Congress should be leading the public, not the other way around. The public would respond positively and supportively to reasons laying out why impeachment is necessary. This is already happening, as several Congressmen have already noted after speaking recently with their constituents.

Nancy's belief that the public is more concerned with issues like health care and do not see impeachment as a priority is FALSE and underestimates the public big time. In fact, it is very condescending of her. People are not stupid, at least many Americans are not. People DO care about Trump and how awful he is - he is deeply hated by many - and more and more do want the Dems to hold him accountable and do something powerful about him. Also, Nancy's stance that is is more important to focus on passing legislation in the public's interest is b.s. - considering that the Senate won't put anything up for a vote there anyway. The Senate is stymying everything, and I mean everything.

Nancy's take that impeachment would help Trump politically in the next election is also absurd. It is total insanity to view impeachment this way. Backwards logic. The Dems will be decimated in the election if they do not impeach him and soon. More than half the party would turn away in disgust, myself included. The Dems are being viewed more and more as cowards. They fear Republican criticism and blowback if they impeach. If the Dems are criticized by the right wing that they are out to get Trump - they should yell YES, they sure as hell they are. Say so and give very clear reasons why this should be the case - he is a corrupt, treasonous criminal who is destroying our democracy and is responsible for putting our government in shambles. Yes, we want to go after him! Stand up and say so!

Time is working against the Dems. Impeach, subpoena, fine, cite for contempt, etc. Do so. Do it all. Have PUBLIC hearings. Since when do citizens get to negotiate subpoenas? If I got one I sure as hell could not. Mueller does not want to testify in public? Too bad! McGahn refuses to comply - go after him. Barr refuses to comply and does not want contempt on his record? Too bad. Cite him. Why negotiate with him about what to hand over and accept that he refuses to release grand jury testimony? Screw that. Make an example of him. Mnuchin won't hand over tax returns? Cite him. Fine him. Make it clear to the public. Broadcast their resistance on the airways and media. Make it clear NO American citizen would be able to thumb his/her nose at a subpoena, why should they get away with it? BE STRONG, USE YOUR POWER.

Lastly, if they do not impeach the Dems will not be standing up for the Constitution, which is VERY CLEAR. The Dems pretty much admit Trump has committed impeachable offenses, and over a thousand attorneys have already said so in writing. They are freaking OBLIGATED to impeach. The Constitution does not say to wait for an election. And as Warren has said, there is no political excuse for not doing so stated in the Constitution. Trump has committed so many impeachable offenses it is truly beyond belief - so many more beyond the Mueller report, which itself has more than enough evidence in there. Enriching himself and his family and using his office to do so is unconscionable.

Stand up, speak the truth. "The only thing to fear is fear itself." Remember who said that, and remember how popular he was.

 
At 8:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What this post proves is that Gilens and Page were correct. There is no branch of the Federal Government which represents We the People, and that it really doesn't matter much which half of the Big Money Party one supports. Neither will deliver anything beneficial unless your bank account has at least 7 figures.

I expect to live long enough to see the charade ended as with the effort to conquer the world taking so much time and energy, the pretence would be detrimental to the cause.

 
At 10:18 AM, Anonymous Jack said...

The only rational argument against impeachment is that, given the make-up of the Senate, removal is inconceivable.

But in fact, that’s actually a good argument FOR impeachment, because GOP intransigence in refusing to remove Trump could anger enough Independents to cost them control of the Senate, as well as some governorships and state legislatures.

If everything goes well — as it will with Bernie as the nominee (and as certainly it won’t with Status Quo Joe!) — Trump will probably resign à la Nixon in order to avoid prosecution.

And like Nixon, he’ll only resign after having made a deal with his veep to issue pardons for him and his entire family. The drafting of those pardons will begin as soon as the election results are certified, but won’t be finished for weeks. My guess is that Trump will hold on to power as long as possible, waiting until after New Year’s Day 2021 to resign, thus leaving Mike Pence less than three weeks to implement any of his theocratic plans.

 
At 1:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hone, a very well thought out post. epiphany time maybe?

IMO, Pelosi is using the whole impeachment kerfluff as a distraction from the momentum that MFA and GND (and other stuff) has gained in spite of her own well-paid refusals to give them air. Yes, the public has big health care concerns -- that Pelosi is totally against. So in order to minimize the backlash for her refusing to let MFA see any sunlight, she is allowing her caucus to make impeachment noise. Amash's becoming the moral compass of the democrap party (irony alert!) doesn't help, but I'm sure he didn't consult with her first.

After considering this, is there an epiphany in the offing?

Jack, your scenario might be reasonable... except even a pre-arranged blanket pardon from pence wouldn't save him from state charges in NY and elsewhere for a variety of frauds. He probably knows this.
I don't see him submitting willingly to the will of voters nor to constitutional remedies. He'll try to negotiate with the military for a martial law declaration for a rigged election or impeachment sponsored by the Chinese or some such bullshit. If the military goes along, we're officially an historical footnote and I would expect millions of arrests beginning with journalists (such as they are).

He won't leave willingly because doing so will leave him open to hundreds of charges and the ruination of his entire business "empire". Winning a second term will extend his time as above the law enough to get past the statutes of limitations on whatever we know of now. Some jurisdiction needs to issue sealed indictments that can be re-opened after he leaves or it's all moot anyway. Nobody seems eager to do so, even 2.5 years into a purely criminal admin.

So if he wins, he might suck for 4 more and then leave (retire). If he loses, he'll try to declare martial law.

democraps won't do shit either way.

epiphany yet?

 
At 1:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I disagree with 5:41. Individually, some may not be overtly worthy of contempt as are these 3 and 200-odd others. But they all do provide those 3 and so many others with their despotic powers. So, by association and functionally, they all ARE worthy of contempt.

Kind of the old Eichmann analogy.

 
At 3:19 PM, Blogger Modestybl said...

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At 3:22 PM, Blogger Modestybl said...

The window for an effective impeachment process is quickly closing. The Dems needed to come out swinging Jan. 4th - full-blown impeachment hearings based on emoluments clause violations for which there is open and copious evidence. Rashida Tlaib was out front calling for this. Unfortunately, the Dems wasted months dithering, waiting for Mueller, with his report landing with a dull thud, outside of hyper-Dem partisan circles. Russiagate will be a losing cause, in part because the underlying crime isn’t there, and in part because Dems will be seen lionizing the worst aspects of the National “Security” State. Look up Stefan Halper if you want to know what that may mean. There will be much more scrutiny into the now discredited “Steele Dossier” that Dems should hope that the public forgets. Sanders is taking the right posture here - Trump may WANT impeachment over Russiagate, it will suck the air out of policy discussions in 2020, and a “win” in the Senate may help boost his 2020 GE chances. The DNC trying to see to it that Sanders is NOT their nominee may guarantee that outcome, regardless. At this point, I don’t see impeachment helping Dems.

 
At 6:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To paraphrase Jimmy Dore, it goes to show how horrible the democraps are that they LOSE to Republican Nazis.

 
At 10:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

no condescension intended. I'm truly rooting for Hone to step over the imaginary line. A fairly clear thinking person that is obviously far left of her "party" who clings tenaciously to them out of what must be Stockholm Syndrome.

If I can help Hone see the light, I will have one little victory where there are scant few to get.

that would be one more down, 65 million more to get.

 

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