Sunday, December 01, 2013

Bob Dylan Was Right About The Croats-- Most Are Still Fascists To The Core

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Croatian fascist leader Ante Pavelić with enthusiastic Franciscan monks

Today Croat voters overwhelmingly-- and true to form-- chose to institutionalize the idea that their own LGBT community is less equal than other Croats. With four-fifths of the votes counted, a solid majority appears to have backed the move to amend the Constitution so that gays and lesbians can never get married. I drove through Croatia in 1969. The scenery was beautiful and I remember thinking how awesome Dubrovnik looked, even though it was kind of like Disneyland, the original city having been destroyed in 1296 (fire) and again in 1667 (earthquake), and rebuilt. Croatian history is complicated and the country has been ruled by every country in the neighborhood at one time or another. During the 1940's Croatia broke away from Yugoslavia and, under the guidance of the fascist Ustashi Party and it's chief, Ante Pavelić, became an ally of the Nazis. They were brutal to non-Croat minorities and established extermination camps for Jews, gypsies, and Serbs. There was something creepy about the country for me and I've never wanted to go back, despite the lovely scenery and rebuilt castles.

Recently, Croatian expatriates living in France were so outraged that Bob Dylan referred to the country's love affair with fascism that they're suing him. Croats don't like people thinking of them as fascists, history notwithstanding. It started with Dylan being awarded the French Legion of Honor last month. It is France's highest cultural award and Dylan had been blocked from receiving it in the past because he opposed the U.S. War Against Vietnam and because he is rumored to have smoked marijuana. The French version of Rolling Stone interviewed him about the honor.
When asked about parallels he sees between Civil War-era America and today, Dylan told the magazine:
"Mmm, I don't know how to put it. It's like . . . the United States burned and destroyed itself for the sake of slavery. The USA wouldn't give it up. It had to be grinded out. The whole system had to be ripped out with force. A lot of killing. What, like, 500,000 people? A lot of destruction to end slavery. And that's what it really was all about.

This country is just too fucked-up about color. It's a distraction. People at each other's throats just because they are of a different color. It's the height of insanity, and it will hold any nation back-- or any neighborhood back. Or any anything back. Blacks know that some whites didn't want to give up slavery-- that if they had their way, they would still be under the yoke, and they can't pretend they don't know that. If you got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood."
It's those last few words that caused the stir. Harking back to centuries-old religious conflict between the majority Roman Catholic Croats and the Christian Orthodox Serbs as well as further rivalry that sprang up during World War II, Dylan referenced the bad relations that exist between the two groups. Amid lingering memories of the Croatian War of Independence that lasted from 1991 to 1995, the France-based Croatian community group in question has brought a lawsuit after finding Dylan's comments unsettling.
Oddly enough, even as Croats are once again portraying themselves as more "western" and "progressive" than the "backward" Serbs, and are just horrified that Dylan would remind anyone of their fascist natures, the country was sponsoring a referendum on proposals to ban marriage equality for LGBT citizens. Croatia was accepted into the European Union this past summer but now the powerful-- and very reactionary-- Catholic Church there is demanding that the constitution be rewritten to define marriage as between a man and a woman only. 104 members of Croatia's 151 seat parliament support the position and opinion polls were overwhelmingly in favor of the fascist position, exactly what anyone who has ever looked into Croatian history would expect. The government, sensitive to European sentiment, is embarrassed and urged people to vote NO.
Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic argued that the referendum threatened people's right to happiness and choice. But leaders of the opposition HDZ party are behind the referendum.

Gay rights protesters, under a heavy police presence, marched for an hour through the city and unfurled a giant rainbow flag outside parliament.

"We urge voters... to protect minority rights so that no-one in Croatia becomes a second-class citizen," activist Sanja Juras told a crowd in Zagreb on Saturday.

The plan for a referendum was allowed parliamentary scrutiny after a Catholic group called "In the Name of the Family" gathered enough signatures to pass the required threshold of support.

"Marriage is the only union enabling procreation. This is the key difference between a marriage... and other unions," said Croatia's Cardinal Josip Bozanic in a letter read out in churches.

Correspondents say attitudes towards gay rights in Croatia-- which joined the European Union in July-- are slowly changing.

In Zagreb's first gay pride parade in 2002, dozens of participants were beaten up by extremists.

Parades are now held regularly although under heavy security.

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At 3:10 PM, Anonymous Bula said...

He left out that Palestinians can sense Israeli blood too, to be fair..

The truth is all the Balkan countries peoples have been slaughtering each other for centuries, with the occasional Roman, Muslim and Austrian empires intervening.. I am not defending current bad Croatian behavior, but atrocities in that part of the world were par for the course... ( full disclosure, I am part Croatian, Serbian, Slovenian and Bosnian.. I am very conflicted!)

 
At 5:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

While you get over your bias and hatred have a read of this from a Croatian blogger on the marriage referendum in Croatia AND don't forget to give the Church Of England heaps, too regarding homophobia:
http://inavukic.com/2013/12/02/croatia-sparks-fly-as-referendum-bans-same-sex-marriage/

 
At 5:08 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

While you're getting over your bias and hatred have a read on what a Croatian blogger has to say on the marriage referendum in Croatia and while you're at it don't forget to write something about Church of England's newly view on homophobia

http://inavukic.com/2013/12/02/croatia-sparks-fly-as-referendum-bans-same-sex-marriage/

 
At 5:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a Roman Catholic I am the one being discriminated against. If I was to accept gay marriage as a norm then I am going against my beliefs. I will ALWAYS SAY NO TO GAY MARRIAGE.
GOD put Adam and Eve on earth, NOT ADAM AND STEVE or AMANDA AND EVE..

 
At 10:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To equate someone with "Fascism" because they do not believe in gay marriage is illogical.

Secondly, the Ustasa to which you refer to (who ruled Croatia during WW2) had less than 12,000 members in 1941) represented less than one percent of the Croatian population). At it's height of power in 1942 there were only 60,000 Ustasa. Over sixty per cent were from impoverished Western Herzegovina with a strong anti-Serbian sentiment from the dictatorship of Serbian King Alexander. Some twenty per cent were Muslims who joined in direct response to Serbian massacres in Bosnia.

At first, Croatians supported and welcomed the Ustasa due to their mistreatment within the Kingdom of Yugoslavia from 1918-1939 ). Most did not support the policies of the Ustasa however, which they found distasteful.

Third: We are the ones being discriminated against now; and this is just the beginning. The Gay community doesn't simply want "equal rights" but to eliminate and eradicate any semblance of Christianity within society. Case in point, in Hawaii, it is now illegal to refuse gays to marry within any Church (did you hear that correctly?). The priest or minister can refuse to marry them of course but they cannot deny gays the legal right to use ANY Church to perform their "marriage ceremony" within the Church. To a Catholic this is not only a violation of our rights, this is sacrilege.

It is not just a simple matter as "civil rights" as gay activist groups and their supporters try to portray. The sole aim is to suppress traditional Christian values and morals within society; while indoctrinating the young and desensitizing them to homosexuality by using all forms of media (especially television, movies, radio, internet). It is impossible nowadays for people to see any of these without being continually "bombarded" with some news, entertainment or editorial regarding the gay agenda. They are even beginning to introduce "gay" children's books to elementary school children in the U.S in some areas, despite the objection of the parents. As I said earlier, this is just the beginning.

While there is a segment of the gay population who wish to lead quiet lives with their same sex friends/partners, what have you; there are also militant homosexuals. These not only engage in same sex behaviour but want the rest of the world to embrace and celebrate their behaviour. They, along with many politicians and world leaders, actively and sometimes violently promote the homosexual agenda of free disordered sexual behaviour, redefining marriage (into extinction), and aggressively wearing down those who don't approve of the homosexual lifestyle. The gay agenda is not about achieving tolerance; it actually in fact demands dominance, in order to structure the present and future mores of society.









 
At 11:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Blue Print for spreading the gay agenda (drawn up in 1989 by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen) was their book "After The Ball: How America Will Conquer It's Fear & Hatred of Gays in the 90's".

Kirk was a Psychiatrist, Madsen was Harvard graduated expert in social marketing. They knew the way to desensitize America to gays was a constant bombardment by the media. Incidentally, at the time they wrote the book, acting on same sex attraction was rightly not accepted as something good and healthy. So they came up with a three step process: Desensitization, Jamming, and Conversion.

Desensitization: Shows like Ellen, Will & Grace, Grey's Anatomy, Modern Family, Glee and many others. All present same sex couples as perfectly normal and common. The theory by Marshall and Madsen was that if people with SSA (same sex attraction) will just stick around long enough and try to minimize societies perception of them as strange, people will eventually become desensitized to the homosexuals in their communities.

Movie Studios are also in on the action with films like: Philadelphia, Brokeback Mountain, The Bird Cage, Milk, Mama Mia, Valentines Day: All promoting the gay agenda.


After desensitization comes the second component, Jamming. This refers to jamming the machine of what Kirk and Madsen called "anti-gay bigotry". According to them people with SSA (same sex attraction) must be made to look like victims of both natural law and Church teaching. The strategy according to Kirk & Madsen is to to accuse those who believe homosexuality behaviour is sinful, of being hate-filled bigots, inhuman and definitely "un-Christian". Sound familiar? Militant gays want to shove the homosexual mentality down our throats and that of our children, in an attempt to convert them to the homosexual agenda. This is often raised under the guise of "safety" in schools; trying to secure a safe, welcoming environments for SSA Students and nothing more, says the gay activist. However homosexual activists are never satisfied with just securing a non discriminating atmosphere. They are always pushing for more acceptance and finally, approval, of the same sex lifestyle. A lifestyle based on a disordered mindset and the sinful behaviours that flow from it.

For more information on Homosexuality and its Movement see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcmKHqH56_4








 
At 6:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding the Catholic Church during the Usatsa regime: The Catholic Church never supported forced conversions or the killing of innocent civilians. Forced conversions were in fact carried out under the direct orders and auspices of the Ustasa regime. The Catholic Church within Croatia made it clear to the regime from the beginning, that conversions to the Catholic faith was a matter ecclesiastical jurisdiction, and not that of the state, and that such conversions to the faith must be voluntary and not coerced. This was ignored by the regime however. Any priest who was known to participate in such actives was defrocked or excommunicated. For example, priests were forbidden to give absolution to anyone who participated in such activities willfully. There were some clerics however, who chose nationalist fervour above that over Catholic piety. This was not the norm however.

A circular was given to priests by Archbishop Stepinac that instructed the clergy to convert individuals if it would save their lives. This was later used by anti-Catholic writers to try and portray Archbishop Stepinac as being complacent with and even encouraging forced conversions.

As World War II arrived, and the new Independent State of Croatia (NDH) was proclaimed, Stepinac welcomed the new government at first, hoping it would assure Croats of their rights, after centuries of oppression. In April 1941 he lodged a protest with the Minister of the Interior of the NDH against the government's new racial laws. He called upon all priests to work for the development of the new independent state-but only on the basis of Gospel principles.

In May 1941 he protested directly to the president of the NDH, Ante Pavelic, against the persecution of Orthodox Serbs. In July 1941 Stepinac begged Pavelic to improve the conditions for Serbians and Jews in concentration camps. On October 16 he spoke openly against the racial laws from the pulpit of the Zagreb cathedral, and called for an end to racial and religious persecution. Although Archbishop Stepinac did not specifically mention the Ustasa by name, his sermons were framed within the teaching of Gospel regarding racial intolerance, hatred, etc.

In May 1942 Stepinac began to speak out openly in his sermons against the persecution of Jews, Gypsies, and Serbs. These sermons were so powerful that they were circulated by the Partisans; the texts of several were broadcast by the BBC.

The much-trumpeted Catholicism of the NDH government was fundamentally insincere and opportunistic. It was "Catholic" only insofar as religion provided a measure of national allegiance. Thus the state blatantly made its own rules for the program, without regard for canon law. The slaughters committed against Serbs and Jews are well documented, and the collaboration of some members of the Catholic clergy is rightly condemned. But postwar Communist propaganda, now acknowledged by all reputable scholars to have been fabricated, is the original source of the allegations against Pope Pius XII and most of the higher-ranking Catholic clergy in Croatia. Unfortunately to this day, many anti-Croatian as well as anti-Catholic writers and individuals perpetuate distortions, half truths, and outright lies, instead of separating fact from fiction.



For more information see: "Archbishop Stepinac Reconsidered" , by Stella Alexander.

"Inside the Vatican of Pius XII: The Memoir of an American Diplomat During World War II" , by Harold H. Tittman, Jr.

As well as the writings of Esther Gitman: "A Question of Judgement: Alojzije Stepinac And The Jews"


 
At 1:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

People know what croats did to serbs in ww2. You can't hide the truth.

 
At 3:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Croats army is fashist army same as Hitler, did that tortured Bosnian people.Srbs did same... Do not trust Croats or Srbs, this history is BS. The HVO detained Bosniak men at the Dretelj Prison concentration camp primarily from April to September 1993, with some Bosniaks detained there until approximately April 1994. The prison population at Dretelj Prison peaked on 11 July 1993, when the HVO detained approximately 2,270 Bosniak men at the prison. After that, the detainee population averaged about 1,700 Bosniak men.[3]

During the time from 30 June until mid-July 1993, the Herceg-Bosna/HVO authorities conducted mass arrests of Bosniak men, including Bosniak members of the HVO, and detained many of them at Dretelj Prison. The Herceg-Bosna/HVO authorities held and continued to detain Bosniak men at the Dretelj Prison concentration camp irrespective of their civilian or military status, including a number of boys younger than sixteen and men older than sixty. The Herceg-Bosna/HVO authorities made no bona fide or adequate effort to distinguish military detainees from civilians, or to provide generally for the release of civilian detainees. During August and September 1993, the HVO criteria for releasing Bosnian Muslim men from detention included being married to a Croat woman or possessing a visa and letter of guarantee to leave Bosnia and Herzegovina to another country. Many Bosnian Muslims detained at Dretelj Prison were deported by the Herceg-Bosna/HVO authorities to other countries, via the Republic of Croatia.[3]

Conditions at Dretelj Prison were harsh and unhealthy due to overcrowding, bad ventilation, no beds and insufficient bedding, and inadequate sanitary facilities. The HVO provided the detainees with insufficient food and water and often made them eat under cruel and humiliating circumstances. In the heat of mid-July 1993, the HVO kept detainees locked up without food and water for a number of days, resulting in the death of at least one Bosnian Muslim detainee.[3]

Throughout the time that Bosniaks were detained at Dretelj Prison, HVO members, including the prison warden and members of HVO units not attached to the prison, subjected detainees to beatings and cruel treatment, including constant fear of physical and mental abuse. Bosniak detainees were sometimes forced or instigated to beat or abuse other Bosniak detainees. Bosniak detainees held in the isolation cell were particularly brutalised. Bosniak detainees were harassed, subjected to ethnic insults and humiliated.[3]

The HVO acts and practices resulted in the serious injury and occasional death of many Bosniak detainees. At least four Bosniak detainees died at the Dretelj Prison concentration camp as a result of being beaten or shot by HVO members.[3]

 

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