Wednesday, April 07, 2010

It's not as dramatic as my proposed wingnut treason trials, but Sara Robinson thinks we should be prosecuting sedition

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I'm thinking firing squads for the treason convicts,
but hanging works too. Or maybe stoning?

"It's time to confront the sobering fact that the entire right wing -- including the GOP establishment, which encourages, endorses, and echoes these sentiments almost every time its officials appear in public -- is now issuing nearly constant invitations to criminal sedition. They're creating a climate and using language that lowers their base's inhibitions around violence -- and irresponsibly eggs on the handful of sociopaths in their midst who are already primed to kill. They've given their newly-expanded corps of flying monkeys permission to brandish their guns in public, empowered their militias, promised them glory, and are now telling them explicitly which targets to hit."
-- Sara Robinson, in "None Dare Call It Sedition"
Sedition: Crime of creating a revolt, disturbance, or violence against lawful civil authority with the intent to cause its overthrow or destruction
-- Brittanica Concise Dictionary,
as cited by Sara R

by Ken


My own impulse, in the face of the pervasive right-wing campaign to bring down the government, would be for the DoJ to begin preparing dozens of treason indictments, so that the trials can get going and in a week or so we can get on to the first of the executions. Or if we labeled them "enemy combatants," could we just turn them over to military tribunals and save even more time?

I was figuring on getting through maybe five treason trials a day. But tribunals, without breaking a sweat, ought to be able to process, say, 25 guilty verdicts a day, no? Plus, it would give the Obama people a chance to call attention to the roll-out of their latest new (wink-wink) "just the same as the Bush regime" policy.

My plan calls for starting with the 15-20 most loathsome crackpots in the Senate and 40-50 in the House. Not all Republicans, of course. The interest of bipartisanship, the noblest political virtue to which Americans, or leastwise liberals, can apparently aspire, dictates that a generous sprinkling of the most odious Dems be included. I'm thinking firing squads would be picturesque, but I could see the case for hangings. Ooh, wait, how about stoning? Followed by purification of the carcasses in bonfires, with free hot dogs and marshmallows for all.

(I bet we could get a quick signoff from the Roberts Court that none of these methods constitutes either cruel or unusual punishment with just a little trick: Slip them a case where it appears it's liberals who are going to be offed. Can't you just see Smirking John's piggy little eyes simply light up at the prospect?)

For better or worse, Sara Robinson -- one of my favorite writers -- is not only smarter than me but more, er, judicious. However, she's deadly serious about the appropriateness and urgency of getting some legal proceedings going. The crime she wants to see prosecuted is one we haven't heard much about recently: sedition.

In an important new piece posted both on the Campaign for America's Future blog and AlterNet, Sara writes:
[I]t's time to openly confront the fact that conservatives have spent the past 40 years systematically delegitimizing the very idea of constitutional democracy in America. When they're in power, they mismanage it and defund it. When they're out of power, they refuse to participate in running the country at all -- indeed, they throw all their energy into thwarting the democratic process any way they can. When they need to win an election, they use violent, polarizing, eliminationist language against their opponents to motivate their base. This is sedition in slow motion, a gradual corrosive undermining of the government's authority and capacity to run the country. And it's been at the core of their politics going all the way back to Goldwater.

Sara wants to be clear that we understand what sedition is. Advocating violent activity: legally protected though extremely dangerous. Planning and of course participating in such activity: sedition.
People who promote subversive ideas, no matter how dangerous those ideas might seem, are completely protected under the First Amendment. Even calling for the overthrow of the government is protected (though not benign, as we'll see later, because it creates justification, permission, and incitement to seditious acts). That's why the conservatives have been safe -- so far. It's only when those people start actively planning and implementing a government rebellion that it turns into criminal sedition.

Fortunately, there are hardy loony-watchers -- like the folks at the Southern Poverty Law Center -- who have become skilled at divining where the line is crossed, whether it's in terrorist or far-right-insurrectionist movements.
These escalating armed demonstrations, accompanied by belligerent sloganeering, are a clear signal that these folks are done talking -- and, worse, have already decided that democracy is futile, and taking up arms is the only appropriate response to the threats we now face. They're carrying weapons to scare us weak-kneed girly libs into submission, and to show us they mean business. Growing up in gun country, I was taught at my daddy's knee that when someone says they're going to shoot you, it's always smart to take them at their word and handle yourself accordingly. Right now, I think that's good advice for anybody in America who considers themselves a member of the reality-based community.

Sara points out that the revolutionaries have even been provided with a convenient target list by that pathetic scrambled-brained loser Bernard Goldberg, with his book listing the "100 people who are destroying America." "He was writing a target list with seditious intent," she says.

From a legal standpoint, though, sedition is a tough charge to prove in court. A successful prosecution in the Hutaree case would be the first such case made to stick against American right-wing groups.
[B]ut the first step in stopping sedition is making sure everybody knows exactly what it is when they see it. And that means calling out the S-word every time we see the conservatives defiantly flinging their hands and feet out over that line to score a few cheap political points.

And the immediate challenge is to force the people who are manipulating and trying to take advantage of the crazies, whether for personal or political gain, to face up to what they're doing.
If this is just political grandstanding to energize the base, they're playing with fire, and they need to bring this incendiary campaign to a screeching halt. Right now. This Mickey Mouse pussyfooting around, play-acting at sedition is criminally dangerous chickenshit politics that puts the short-term needs of the Republican party ahead of the long-term viability of the American democracy they've sworn to uphold. In case the party leaders haven't noticed, their base has taken them as seriously as a heart attack -- and they're genuinely making ready for armed revolt.

On the other hand, if they're actually serious about seditious rebellion against the US government, then let them stand up, follow through, and face the charges. They're either Americans, committed to working in good faith within the democratic process to create our common future; or else they're seditionists in intention or fact -- and thus enemies of the state, plain and simple.

For the good of the country, we cannot continue to let them have it both ways. They need to choose whose side they're on: America's, or their own.

I was intrigued by the story Howie passed on earlier of that archloon Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn confronting just this distinction at an ugly town hall meeting back home, where he wound up lecturing the crowd on civility and defending Nancy Pelosi. As Howie put it, "Coburn stared the teabaggers in the face and was mortified to see the gross ignorance and overblown bigotry."

Score one small victory. The only thing is that, crazy as Senator Dr. Tom is, his craziness has never taken the form of fomenting violence. On the scale of craziness, it turns out, he's a moderate.


"STOP THE PRESSES" HEADLINE OF THE DAY:
BIG AL "MUMBLES" GREENSPAN REJECTS CRITICISM!


Courtesy of the New York Times today:

Greenspan Rejects Criticism of Policies at Hearing

Because Big Al (aka "Mumbles") is widely known for his invariably thoughtful consideration of reasoned criticism of his judgments.

With regard to Big Al's testimony before the financial-meltdown commission, CAF "Our Work" blogger R.J. Eskow writes in his assessment, "In the Dark: A Good Prosecutor Would've Pinned Greenspan Down":
It was almost anticlimactic when the power failed during the final fifteen minutes of Greenspan's appearance. The light had left the room long before then.
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10 Comments:

At 8:54 AM, Anonymous Balakirev said...

Works for me, Ken. I've always found it interesting that the Bush administration and its pundit lackeys pounced on anybody that offered mild criticism, demanding retractions or censure, even imprisonment, but President Roll-Me-From-the-Right-Please Obama is perfectly willing to allow hate radio/tv to foment wingnut domestic terrorism. Of course, the hate-talkers would scream and make demands, and Brooks would shake his head solemnly and weep about the Death of Bipartisanship, but at some point you have to respond to the bullies---because if you don't, they will keep pushing the line farther, and farther.

PS: Faux News lost a viewer in the few days. My wife just called me that her granduncle, age 92, passed away. I knew him 25 years ago as a vital, debonair senior, but saw him just a few years back when he was unfocused, praising Fox and raving about how the Democratic Party and Hollywood were trying to sell the nation to China.

Cause of death: senile dementia. I'm sure Fox has plenty of people it can rely upon for that.

 
At 11:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not a problem. The tea partiers and Americans are revolting against UNLAWFUL actions by those in power to skirt the Constitution. The acts of the Government ARE UNLAWFUL. So, there can be no "sedition" from an UNLAWFUL government. Furthermore, I would like to see Bush hung for his crimes. However, hanging people for holding a diverse political view is called tyranny.

Down with tyranny!!

Down with the shredders of the Constitution from "so-called right" - Cheney, Rumsfield, Bush -- and the whole Obama CZAR regime -- and the whole Congress which shredded the Constitution in HR3200 to declare that citizens have NO RIGHTS - and that the Government OWNS MY BODY!!

Down with Tyranny!!

Understand the Tea Party.

We want DOWN with illegal activity and restoration of our RIGHTS.

This argument about Bush is like saying you're for Stalin cuz your against Hitler.

They're both bad.

The whole Government is bad now.

I could have come to an anti-Bush protest with the same feeling I have in an anti-government protest today.

They're the same guy.

Obama is advancing the banks, the wars, the Patriot Act -- and HR3200 has nothing to do with providing medical care to the poor. It was written by fascist insurance companies who propagandized to say they were against it. It cuts services to the poor. It even blocks expansion of hospitals,e tc., etc. It is a FASCIST CORPORATE GRAB of INCOME through the GOVT at the EXPENSE OF EVERYONE including the poor.

Only the rich getting richer will benefit from HR3200 - which creates totalitarian and even creates a "health police" to make you get your government shot - and tag - as they take control of the BANK ACCOUNT of every American as the IRS takes control of "healthcare'.

Down with Tyranny!!

 
At 12:09 PM, Blogger KenInNY said...

Dear Anonymous Teabagger,

There isn't a word of your insane rant that could be said by anyone with a single working brain cell. On the chance that you may have some possibly retrievable mental capacity, I urge you to get to a mental-health facility ASAP.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and are so mentally challenged that you have no idea that a rabid squirrel has more sense.

Get help while you still might be helpable!

Ken

 
At 1:00 PM, Anonymous me said...

A perfect example of what's gone wrong with our country. Anon has flipped his wig. He knows something's wrong, but doesn't know what. He's lashing out blindly and cluelessly. That kind of reaction will only increase the danger we are in.

 
At 1:29 PM, Blogger johnknoefler said...

@me , Why would we be in any danger when Obama is now firmly in control and his grip on the government grows stronger by the day.

 
At 6:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ken, do you deny that Obama has stepped up the wars, signed on to the Patriot Act, and is doing everything Bush did?? Do you deny that Obama has Goldman Sachs all over his administration and Wall Street is controlling DC?? Do you have a CLUE what is going on?? Do you not REALIZE that the insurance companies are the ones who benefit from this healthcare bill as they gain a captured market -- medicare and medicaid are cut 20% -- healthcare is rationed -- it restricts hospital expansion -- it incorporates a "health ARMY" (read the bill - "Ready Reserve")?? Do you know what is in that bill and how it really functions or do you just believe every empty promise you hear that it's a socialist bill for the poor?? It is NOT!! It's about tyrannical control. The IRS will have access to INDIVIDUAL BANK accounts and will do AUTOMATIC ETF transfers out of your account. You will no longer have personal control of your own bank accounts. You have not a clue and if all you can say in the face of FACTS is slurs against someone who isn't living in your delusion based on wishful thinking and utopian fantasies in the face if big business controlling our government - watch Michael Moore's film on capitalism. It's crony capitalism that is controlling DC - and if you think that is "socialism" - it's mobster crime bosses and robber barons at the top selling this socialist veneer that isn't in the bill!! Those IDIOT CONGRESSMEN AND WOMEN didn't even READ THE BILL!!

Grow up and get with facts.

Obama is a worse warmongerer than Bush. I don't function on the basis of labels and lies of veneers. I look at the FACTS to know what is REALLY happenign - and I read the bills.

This is corruptocrat corporatism at it's WORST moving into hardcore tyranny that has NOTHING to do with a socialist vision.

 
At 8:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ken-in-NY-
this is a sad little corner of the Web you've got going here. When I am king, you WILL be first against the wall. Fag.
Real Man in Boston

 
At 8:19 PM, Anonymous Balakirev said...

Ken, they really shouldn't let that single member of the in-grown Anonymous clan down from the mountains. He starts scratching and shouting, and before you know it, he's just screaming out nonsense in numerous posts whose talking points he's gotten from some GOP-run "peoples'" site.

 
At 11:23 AM, Blogger ruralcounsel said...

Ahhh, I was wondering where the DemoLeftists were hiding their big-talking Brownshirts. I nominate this blog for the biggest hypocritical name.

Nice to know the spittle dribbling communist whackjobs have gainful employment. Or at least someting to keep themselves busy with. This vitriol is worse than anything I've heard at any Tea Party. Worse for threats, worse for incitement to violence, for advocacy of miscarriage of legal process.

But keep it up. All this bluster here? None of you have the guts to even try. But it makes for a good place to link to when describing Progressive/Leftist attitudes.

 
At 1:48 PM, Blogger KenInNY said...

What a shame, ruralasshole, that you wingnuts have no reading skills. I called for legal processes to begin removing scum guilty of treason from our midst -- using the very standard of due process of law invariably championed by your heroes, like George W. "Ooh, Let Me Pull the Switch" Bush.

But of course now over there on the Extra-Galactic Right, the war on truth and sanity rages without any prospect of letting up. Any wingnut caught uttering a correctly informed phrase or making contact with reality has the rage of the Teabaggers trained on him.

You could perform a useful service by helping us know what it's like to have a brain filled with nothing but lies and psychotic delusions.

I highly recommend that you riffle through Rosie O'Donnell's "You didn't get mad when" list, which Howie passed on recently, just to give you a sense of where your diseased brain let you down.

No, I'm sorry, people who have declared war -- using any violent means available -- on sense and decency are not entitled to respect or civility. But of course you don't have to listen to your insane screeching.

Ken

Ken

 

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