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Wednesday, November 06, 2019

Worried Trump May Win A Second Term? Unless Putin Steals The Election For Him Again, He Won't

The conservative lane narrows

Last week Kamala Harris shut down her campaign in New Hampshire. Monday night, Julián Castro announced that he is closing his operations in New Hampshire and South Carolina. Shame about Castro, who actually added something worthwhile to the debate, unlike Harris who was never anything but a package of junk identity politics with nothing to offer whatsoever and doesn't even deserve to represent California in the Senate, let alone win the Democratic nomination for president. She wasn't even capable of fulfilling the one useful function she could have had in this primary season-- using that fake southern accent she puts on to win some votes away from Biden in South Carolina. Last month's Gravis Marketing poll of likely South Carolina Democratic primary voters-- a majority of whom are African-American-- was bad news for Harris... and bad news for anyone who doesn't want a repeat of the Clinton scenario that led to Trump-in-the-Oval-Office:
Status Quo Joe- 34%
Bernie- 10%
Elizabeth- 9%
Steyer- 7%
Booker- 6%
Kamala- 4%
At least Mayo Pete didn't make it onto the list. His campaign has spread an ugly whispering campaign among the media that he's doing badly in South Carolina because blacks are prejudiced against gays, rather than a more likely explanation-- that blacks are aware of his racism as mayor of the small town he's from.




I hate to cite a Siena poll, since their polling is so flawed but their Iowa caucus poll for the NY Times contains the most up-to-date information available. If Kamala and Julián are putting all their eggs in the Iowa basket, they should be gone from the primary stage very fast. The news for Mayo Pete, however, was better in this 91% white state:
Elizabeth- 22%
Bernie- 19%
Mayo- 18%
Status Quo- 17%
Klobuchar- 4%
Kamala- 3%
Yang- 3%
Steyer- 2%
Tulsi- 2%
Booker- 2%
Funny how the Times headline was about Mr. Mayonnaise, not about how the two progressive candidates were so far ahead of the two conservative, anti-healthcare candidates (41% to 35%). Mr. Mayonnaise's critics," reported The Times, "say he is offering voters feel-good platitudes without a proven track record of electoral success. But his supporters say his vision, and his identity as an openly gay candidate, make him an inherently transformative figure. He has successfully built a sustainable ground game throughout the state, generating buzz among voters and turning out crowds of several hundred people in towns of just a few thousand. For growing numbers of likely caucus-goers, he is emerging as the moderate [The Times consistently uses the word "moderate" to make conservative Democrats sound more palatable] front-runner in the race," ahead of even former Obama-substitute, Status Quo Joe, the Hillary Clinton of the 2020 cycle, then man who could guarantee a second term for Trump.

All that said, the chief pollster for ABC News and the Washington Post, Gary Langer, noted that momentum for the Democratic candidates and against Trump has been growing steadily. "A year before the nation votes," he wrote, "top Democratic contenders have extended their leads over President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential race, with broad public concerns about the president’s leadership in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll. While former Vice President Joe Biden now leads Trump by 17 percentage points, other Democratic contenders show the most improvement: Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders’ advantage vs. Trump has gone from a non-significant 6 points in July to 12 in September to 17 now. Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s has gone from 7 to 11 to 15."




Impeachment is not the only factor, since the trend dates to early September. Among Trump’s broader challenges, six in 10 Americans or more say he’s not honest and trustworthy, lacks the kind of personality and temperament it takes to serve effectively and doesn’t understand their problems. Slightly smaller majorities doubt his deal-making, delivery of “needed change” to Washington and leadership generally.

Further, as reported last week, half support Trump’s impeachment and removal from office, 54% say his policies have made the United States less respected globally, 58% disapprove of his overall job performance and 66% say he’s acted unpresidentially since taking office. He’s the first president in modern polling never to have achieved majority approval, with the lowest average approval rating on record.

...16% of leaned Republicans say they’d defect to Biden. Trump’s approval rating within his own party has dropped by 13 points since early July to a new low. And 30% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say they’d like to see the party nominate someone else as its 2020 presidential candidate.

...Leading Democrats currently have the upper hand. Among the party’s three frontrunners, Biden and Sanders lead Trump by an identical 56-39%, as does Warren, by 54-39%. South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg and California Sen. Kamala Harris both hold 11-point leads.

Those results are among all adults, given that there’s plenty of time to register. Among currently registered voters, the outcomes are very similar-- Biden ahead by an identical 17 points, Warren still by 15, Sanders by 14, Buttigieg still by 11 and Harris by 9. The results look different than at about this time in 2015. In an ABC/Post poll that September, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton led Trump by 12 points in a matchup among all adults, 51-39%, but it was essentially a dead heat, 46-43%, among registered voters.

Trump’s support today is strikingly similar in all these matchups, 39% to 42%. His task is to build from there, either in support levels or higher turnout.




Results have improved for the Democrats, especially among registered voters. Warren ran evenly with Trump among registered voters in July, then moved to a slight +7 points in this group in September and on to +15 points now. Sanders went from +1 to +9 to +14 points among registered voters in this same period; Buttigieg, from a dead heat to +4 to +11. Biden was +10 among registered voters in July; he’s +17 now.

...Movement also has occurred among independents, who can be key swing voters in presidential elections. Sanders has improved vs. Trump by 17 points among independents since July and Warren by 14 points. (A challenge in this result is that independents, given their lack of partisan motivation, are less apt than party adherents to vote.)

Most of the change among independents has occurred among women-- especially for Warren, who’s doubled her advantage over Trump among independent women from 18 points in July to 37 points now. That compares with 9-point gains among independent women for Biden and Sanders alike.






Another question is whether these pairings would be unpalatable enough for some potential voters to skip the election entirely. Not many say they’d take a bye: Given a Trump-Biden, Trump-Sanders or Trump-Warren matchup, 10% to 14% say there’s at least some chance they might skip the election, with 6% to 9% saying there’s a good chance of it.

Independents, nonwhites and younger adults are most apt to say they’d skip the election given those matchups-- three groups that are less likely to turn out in any case. Nonetheless, removing potential skippers from vote preference estimates doesn’t meaningfully change the standings of the Democratic candidates vs. Trump.
Aaron Blake wrote in the Washington Post early yesterday that as far as electability, the poll's biggest takeaway "may be that there doesn’t seem to be much difference in whom the Democrats nominate. As Democrats anxious to 'just win baby' confront some tough choices in the months ahead, there are indications that the differences between the candidates matter less and less to the final result." In other words, any of the Democrats, at least by the numbers, will beat Trump. Here's an entirely unscientific poll we ran on Twitter yesterday along these lines:




7 comments:

  1. Anonymous5:58 AM

    you cannot presume anything at this point.

    what if Pelosi takes a dive on impeachment?
    what shall the rigging of the convention to nominate biden have wrt anti-blue tsunami?
    what if there is another war started -- tail wagging the dog?
    what if there is another crash of some form?

    and then there could be another "Reichstag fire" event.

    if the election were held today, trump might barely lose the popular but win the electoral ... again.

    the continuation of polling proving democrap voters are dumber than shit does not encourage me for 2020.

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  2. Hey, let's do an Einstein Gedankenexperiment!

    1. What if people really really loved money?
    2. What if all the Russia, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, etc. stuff in the papers was motivated not by political power issues exciting to subscribers of Foreign Policy magazine, but just greed? Old-fashioned unrestrained super-monster sized greed?
    3. What if the American President was in reality not "the greatest deal maker ever" but just a broke ass con man in hock to oligarchic loan sharks in Russia, Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, etc.?
    4. What if that whole money story comes dribbling out over the upcoming year before the election?
    5. What if Donald Trump turns out to have more in common with Bernie Madoff than, say, the Rothschilds? And this all comes out?
    6. What then?

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  3. Anonymous7:30 AM

    @5:58 am

    as usual, what you're hoping for tends to trump (pardon the pun) common sense*. if Trump manages re-election (certainly not an impossibility), his share of the popular vote will be about 5-8 million less than whichever Dem runs against him.

    as usual, your anger at voters who might choose the lesser of two evils somehow trumps (again!) anything you feel about folks who continue to support the Republican Party.

    you remain, as always, utterly full of shit.

    *a relative term when dealing with a nincompoop like you - you actually think posting comments on this blog (all roundly ignored by everyone except me, 'cause I find you an almost endearing combination of willed stupidity and unintentional hilarity) is important, serious work. duh!

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  4. Anonymous8:05 AM

    @bowtiejack

    You're wasting your time - the only thing this guy is interested in is how awful the Democrats are. Trump beyond the pale as far as corruption goes? Not in his (strange) mind. Republican inability to win elections without overtly racist campaigns and vote suppression of minorities? Exactly the same as Democrats fealty to corporate paymasters.

    In other words: he's an idiot.

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  5. Anonymous12:41 PM

    thanks you two. you prove me correct.
    that the Nazis (note my moniker for them vs. yours) are evil is inarguable. I never claim they are not.
    that the democraps may be just an angstrom better I have never argued either, the insistent projection of 7:30 notwithstanding.

    bowtiejack: you are quite correct. I do focus on how terrible the democraps truly are.
    Let me ask you to look from your perspective: If the Nazis cannot win except by overtly racist campaigns, why the fuck can't the democraps beat them except after their people so thoroughly screw the pooch that a massive anti-red election wave forms?
    That's correct. It's the democraps' overt fealty to moneyed paymasters and their utter indifference, in deed, to the 99.99% who they pretend to represent. This terrible performance MAY (or may not) be less evil. But it's not good enough to attract very many voters.

    When FDR took office with an anti-red wave sized victory, he started right away helping the 99%. The 99% repayed him and his party with decades of majorities, some of the wins were not by a few points but by multiples.

    when obamanation took office, same wave, he started right away refusing to help people, instead making the capitalists whole and letting 10 million families fend for themselves. The 99% repaid him and his party by staying home in droves in 2010 which lost them congress for 18 years, so far.

    I'd really like things to get better, not just less worse. democraps are never going to allow better. they've proved this since 1980 and with Pelosi and scummer driving policy, it shall not ever happen.

    7:30, ignore, as you always do, everything I do to try to explain myself. You're immune. we all know that.

    yes, bowtiejack, he's wasting his time. but it's his time to waste.

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  6. Anonymous2:51 PM

    Remember the polls the week before the 2016 election? No chance Trump could win then too. Outside of the Tulsi/Putin Clinton excuse addicts that it's never there fault; it is! The DCCC learned nothing. The media (still anti-Bernie) learned nothing and their play-book is the same. Mediocrity will lose to Trump as entertainment, combined with evil is much more political interesting then boring evil.

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  7. Anonymous5:06 PM

    "...blacks are aware of [Elite Pete's] racism as mayor of the small town he's from."

    It may be more than blacks. Remember when Hillary played the race card against Obama in 2008? As Frank Zappa once sang, "I'm not black But there's a whole lots a times I wish I could say I'm not white". Hillary's dick move was enough for me to not be willing to vote for her then. There is zero chance that I'd vote for Elite Pete, either - and his racism isn't as strong a repellant as his McKinsey history is.

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