Wednesday, January 04, 2017

Bernie Won? Maybe So... On Free College Tuition At State Universities


A couple of days ago New York’s corrupt governor, Andrew Cuomo, was being derided for vetoing a bill to make sure indigent suspects had legal representation. But yesterday his praises were being sung by both Hillary Clinton and, especially, Bernie Sanders for his free tuition proposal. Under it, the state of New York will pay tuition for hundreds of thousands of middle- and low-income New Yorkers (kids whose families are making less than $125,000/year) at state colleges and at community colleges. This would be a pilot program for the whole country.

I have some first hand experience with this system. My first choice after high school was Cornell University, a very expensive private university upstate. I was accepted and offered a scholarship— but it wasn’t enough and my parents didn’t have the money to cover the difference. I opted for a state university instead, SUNY, Stony Brook. Recently I wrote a program of theirs into my will and wrote about it here. The program gives students from households making less than $15,000/year free tuition and housing. If Cuomo’s bill passes, I guess I’ll have to come up with something else to do with my gift to my alma mater.
Under the proposal, the state would complete students’ tuition payments by supplementing existing state and federal grant programs — essentially covering the balance, though administration officials said some students could have their entire four-year education covered.

In his remarks, the governor — who had endorsed and campaigned for Hillary Clinton, Mr. Sanders’s opponent in the primary — picked up the senator’s mantle, arguing that student debt was crippling the prospects of generations of young Americans.

“It’s like starting a race with an anchor tied to your leg,” Mr. Cuomo said, adding that many students in New York and elsewhere left school $30,000 or more in debt.

“This society should say, ‘We’re going to pay for college because you need college to be successful,’” he added. “And New York State — New York State is going to do something about it.”

Mr. Cuomo hopes for a quick start for his idea, with a three-year rollout beginning in the fall, with a $100,000 income limit, rising to $125,000 by 2019, a timetable the administration billed as more speedy than the one embraced by Mrs. Clinton during her presidential campaign. (On Twitter, Mrs. Clinton said she was “delighted” by the governor’s proposal, calling it a plan that she and Mr. Sanders had “worked hard on.”)

Still, Mr. Cuomo’s plan would affect a far smaller pool of students than federal proposals. Initial estimates from the administration said the program would allow nearly a million New York families with college-age children, or independent adults, to qualify. The actual number of students receiving tuition-free education would probably be about 200,000 by the time it was fully enacted in 2019, according to Jim Malatras, the director of state operations.

It was likewise unclear how much the program would cost. The administration estimated that the state’s annual outlay would be $163 million by 2019, though it acknowledged that estimate could be affected by participation and level of need.

“There are some kids that aren’t getting anything right now that would be made whole,” Mr. Malatras said. “And some kids that are in the program, we would just fill in the gap.”

New York already offers in-state students one of the lowest tuition rates in the nation. Current full-time tuition at four-year State University of New York schools for residents is $6,470; at two-year community colleges, the cost is $4,350. Full-time costs for City University of New York schools are about the same. The state also provides nearly $1 billion in support through its tuition assistance program, which has an adjusted gross income limit of just under $100,000. Those awards top out at $5,165; many grants are smaller.

Costs for the state could also rise as enrollment rises. Some 400,000 students currently attend state or city universities full time, but the administration projects that the lure of a tuition-free system could increase the student population by 10 percent by 2019.

Estimates for other free-tuition proposals have said that costs would be even higher. A 2015 report by the city’s Independent Budget Office put the cost for the city’s community colleges alone at $138 million to $232 million. But Mr. Malatras expressed confidence in the administration’s estimate, saying it had calculated costs considering a variety of factors, including the number of students already receiving money through federal Pell grants, the state tuition assistance program and tuition credits.

But even some supporters expressed some doubt about how much Mr. Cuomo’s plan could cost the state. “The cost estimate of $163 million begs the question: If it costs so little, why haven’t we done it before?” said Assemblywoman Deborah J. Glick, chairwoman of the Assembly’s Higher Education Committee.

The tuition plan will require legislative approval, a potential challenge when the governor and lawmakers have been at odds over a raise and other issues. On Tuesday, both Democrats and Republicans offered qualified support for the plan, saying they wanted more details on the proposal and adding that each party also had worked to lower tuition.

…Bruce Gyory, an Albany-based political consultant, said the governor’s announcement would appeal to the same voters who flocked to Mr. Sanders during the Democratic presidential primaries last year — and to voters with some college education but no degree, who swung to Donald J. Trump’s column in the general election. Such voters made up nearly a third of the electorate, according to exit polls, Mr. Gyory said.

“When you’re able to take an innovative policy and have it affect a broad cross section of the state and the electorate, and you know it also resonates nationally, that’s not a bad play,” Mr. Gyory said. “In fact, it’s a very astute move.”

Students and faculty also seemed intrigued by the proposal. Katie Montwill, a junior studying health science at Stony Brook University, called the idea “pretty awesome, on the outside,” though she added she was not sure how it would be funded. Ms. Montwill, 20, also suggested that the idea of tuition-free education might not sit well with some parents — including her own — who did not want their tax dollars to help put other people’s children through school.

“I feel like my parents wouldn’t be for it,” she said.

United University Professions, which represents 35,000 faculty members at New York State campuses, offered support for the plan but also argued for more full-time faculty, a sentiment echoed by other groups.

For his part, Mr. Sanders — who was greeted by shouts of “I love you, Bernie” and loud cheers by the crowd in Long Island City — was effusive in his praise of Mr. Cuomo’s idea, calling it “a revolutionary idea for higher education” that he envisioned would be emulated elsewhere.

“Here’s my prediction,” the senator said. “If New York State does it this year, mark my words, state after state will follow.”

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At 2:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In spite of Bernie's stated optimism about "if this is done in NY, then...", I actually believe this sort of thing, and college isn't the only thing -- think $15/hour min wage, will hasten the balkanization of this country. Maybe not a bad thing.

I might conceive of NY, CA, OR or WA maybe doing this. But can you, soberly, imagine this flying in KS or TX -- pretty much every state that drumpf carried? No fucking way.

Why not?

From the article: "... the idea of tuition-free education might not sit well with some parents — including her own — who did not want their tax dollars to help put other people’s children through school."

This is validation of my thesis that the sociopathy and psychosis of the right is, in a nutshell, "not a single nickel OF MINE for anyone I don't like no matter their circumstance".

Of course, it has to be passed, signed and made to actually WORK in petri dish states first. Not a small order at all. Every state is lousy with their own rural reds who religiously feel as that girl's parents feel.

At 3:15 PM, Anonymous wjbill said...

I think we should always include trade schools in this argument .... not everyone is cut out for 4 years of college ... or 6 or 8 years. Society also needs other skills to progress and provide meaningful careers.

At 7:24 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trade Schools? Training craftsmen for WHAT JOBS?

I am myself a graduate of a trade school. I made a good living from it. But if I was to be a graduate of that school today, I'd be gathering shopping carts at the local Walmart since there are few jobs in the field for which I have trained.

The only job I'd recommend for a young person graduating high school today would be HVAC. The 1% aren't going to want the stench of the world they created and stuffed up our dorsal ports to ever reach them and disturb their olfactory atmosphere. There will be jobs for that trade.


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