Healthy For America vs Dangerous For America
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One of the themes here at DWT this cycle has been about the dangers of getting too chummy with conservative Republican #NeverTrumpers. They are, after all conservatives and oppose Trump because-- among other things-- he isn't. Many don't have to hold their noses to vote for Biden. He's just what they're looking for. In fact, from what I've seen, conservative #NeverTrump Republicans like Biden a lot more than progressives do. About 80% of progressives are going to hold their noses and vote for Biden, under no delusions about his utter unfitness for office, just thinking about the existential danger Trump is. The #NeverTrump's actually like the idea of a Biden presidency. Sure, they'd prefer someone like Paul Ryan, Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, maybe even another overt racist likeTucker Carlson, Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, Ted Cruz-- one of their own-- but Biden's record of almost 5 decades is very comforting to them in the short run.
These people will help us take down Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend... to a certain extent. Thanks for helping get rid of the fascist. Then go back to your own party and reform it, but don't try to move the Democratic Party even further right than it has already drifted since Arkansas conservative Bill Clinton managed a hostile takeover in 1992.
In an OpEd for TruthOut this week, Beware of Anti-Trump Republicans Who Endorse Joe Biden, William Rivers Pitt agreed. He wrote that "A stampeding herd of 'anti-Trump' Republican organizations and PACs has flooded the zone with ads attacking Trump and endorsing Biden. If beating "Donald Trump in November is your main thing, this would appear to be only good news. I am forced to wonder, however, what the real intent is behind this sudden solidarity after three long years of near-silence from the deeply compromised 'Never Trump' crew."
"Trump," he continued, "is the best campaign spokesman Joe Biden could ever wish for, because Trump will not stop damaging himself, ever. He is incapable of staying out of the spotlight, has no interest in talking points or strategy, and almost never knows what he is talking about when he starts flapping his gums at the cameras. His ceaseless lies about everything from Russian bounties on U.S. troops to the uprising to the pandemic are a feature, not a bug. In the midst of this maelstrom, Biden pops up every so often like some grandfatherly Jack-in-the-box to remind people that, whatever else he may be, he is not that guy. He has out-raised Trump for the second month in a row, while Trump’s own campaign spends its money on ads intended only to assure the president that he’s a great guy and everything is fine."
NeverTrump Daily Journal Bulwark, tried to appeal to "those who have not been opponents of Donald Trump... those who, for whatever mixtures of reasons and motives, have until now reluctantly supported or tolerated him." He wants them to use July 4th and what it stands for to help them become "former Trump supporters." And he tells them even if they are too reflexively partisan to back Biden, they have an alternative, "His name is Mike Pence." Here's where these #NeverTrumpers show what they're made of and who they are. "[I]t is self-evident that it would be much better for the country if Donald Trump were out of office for the next six months, and if he had no chance to be president for the next four years. A President Pence for the next several months-- even with the possibility of a President Pence for the next four years-- would be a good outcome for all Americans." Yeah, so not our friends. Instead he has a game plan:
These people will help us take down Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend... to a certain extent. Thanks for helping get rid of the fascist. Then go back to your own party and reform it, but don't try to move the Democratic Party even further right than it has already drifted since Arkansas conservative Bill Clinton managed a hostile takeover in 1992.
In an OpEd for TruthOut this week, Beware of Anti-Trump Republicans Who Endorse Joe Biden, William Rivers Pitt agreed. He wrote that "A stampeding herd of 'anti-Trump' Republican organizations and PACs has flooded the zone with ads attacking Trump and endorsing Biden. If beating "Donald Trump in November is your main thing, this would appear to be only good news. I am forced to wonder, however, what the real intent is behind this sudden solidarity after three long years of near-silence from the deeply compromised 'Never Trump' crew."
"Trump," he continued, "is the best campaign spokesman Joe Biden could ever wish for, because Trump will not stop damaging himself, ever. He is incapable of staying out of the spotlight, has no interest in talking points or strategy, and almost never knows what he is talking about when he starts flapping his gums at the cameras. His ceaseless lies about everything from Russian bounties on U.S. troops to the uprising to the pandemic are a feature, not a bug. In the midst of this maelstrom, Biden pops up every so often like some grandfatherly Jack-in-the-box to remind people that, whatever else he may be, he is not that guy. He has out-raised Trump for the second month in a row, while Trump’s own campaign spends its money on ads intended only to assure the president that he’s a great guy and everything is fine."
All the momentum is on Biden’s side at present, and Trump is only going to help him as we lurch toward the reckoning in November. So forgive me for being leery of this abrupt tidal wave of Biden support from Republican-based organizations. It puts me in mind of the old joke about the French aristocrat who sees an angry mob run by and says, “I must find out where my people are going, so I may lead them.”Yesterday, super prominent #NeverTrumper Bill Kristol, writing at the
The newest entry into the Republican anti-Trump push is named 43 Alumni for Biden. It is a collection of hundreds of former campaign and administration members who worked for George W. Bush, the war criminal 43rd president. A list of members is not available so far as I can glean, but the group boasts a number of former Bush Cabinet secretaries and other high-ranking members whose names I’d love to know. Rumsfeld? Ashcroft? Rove? Cheney? Such is the possible character of Biden’s new allies.
“Whether you worked in the earliest days of the 43rd Administration or sprinted to the finish in January 2009, you know a thing or two about serving the grand ideals and exceptional people of our country,” reads the 43 Alumni for Biden endorsement. “Together we saw compassion in action, strength on display and the steady leadership of a true statesman who inspired us to meet some of America’s greatest challenges.”
I don’t have time to fully parse the freight of “Oy vey” in that paragraph; if you lived through the scabrous eight years of the Bush administration, you don’t need me to tell you how much unrefined bullshit is slathered on the words “compassion,” “steady leadership” and “true statesman.” Those hundreds of “43 Alumni” aided and abetted a murderous smash-and-grab robbery of an administration, and now they’re piling in behind Biden exactly when he does not need their help.
Another Republican group that has been throwing hot shade at Trump is The Lincoln Project. The ads produced by this organization have been singularly brutal and ruthlessly timely, and Trump the TV fanatic is well aware of them. Each time another Lincoln Project ad airs, Trump Twitter goes seismic. The Lincoln spots are masterpieces of inflicted political pain, and further proof that conservatives are better at making killer ads than the Democrats ever were or will be.
Many who oppose Trump have rejoiced at the way these ads have been flaying him, but it cannot be forgotten that this same gleefully lethal energy also went into creating and distributing the GOP’s racist Willie Horton ad attacking Michael Dukakis in 1988, and the wildly truthless swift-boat ads attacking John Kerry in 2004. With friends like these, etc.
...[T]hose working to get Trump gone must be deeply wary of this new “help.” These are the people whose policies and go-for-the-jugular campaign ethos made President Donald Trump possible, or even inevitable, in the first place. Here they are now, leaping on the Biden bandwagon in hopes we all forget the blood and tears soaking their hands.
Furthermore, if these right-wing organizations do manage to make a notable difference in the November outcome, they are going to think they are owed something for that assistance, and anything that pushes Biden even further to the right is a menace on its face for anyone seeking genuine progressive change.
Simply put: Never, ever forget who it is you’re dealing with here. These groups do not oppose Trump because of his policies. They oppose Trump because he is bad for the Republican brand, full stop. The enemy of your enemy in this case is not your friend, at all. It feels too much like the Scorpion and the Frog all over again, and folks by now should be heartily wary of getting stung.
Serious and patriotic men and women who have been Trump supporters could go to Donald Trump privately and tell him that he’s done whatever good he can do. They could tell him that it’s time to resign and to turn over both the reins of government and the 2020 Republican nomination to his vice president.I'll take a great big pass on that strategy. What would be healthy for the country is a massive November rejection of Trump, Trumpism, fascism, authoritarianism and the Republican Party. And that's what's coming, Bill Kristol and his friends on board or not. There's nothing that would make me cast a ballot for Biden-- nothing-- but there is one thing that I like about him: he promised (though I don't necessarily believe him) that he will not pardon Trump. Pence would, of course. What would be healthy for America-- more healthy than anything I can think of short of a Bernie presidency-- would be to see a Trump trial and to subsequently see Trump die in prison, the way Al Capone did.
If Donald Trump ignores them, serious and patriotic men and women who have been Trump supporters could urge delegates to the Republican convention to withhold their votes in this emergency from Donald Trump, and could provide legal and political help when the Trump campaign claims those delegates are bound.
If that doesn’t seem feasible, serious and patriotic men and women who have been Trump supporters could simply announce their support for Joe Biden now. If a sizable number of major figures did so, it would make Trump something like a lame duck and might force him from the race. Even if he refused to withdraw, it would weaken his hold on Republicans on the Hill and on his own administration, and make it harder for him to do substantial damage over the next several months. And since Trump could do substantial damage in using the executive power of the federal government to affect the November election, either beforehand (as in his attempt last year to use Ukraine to damage his opponent) or after (by calling results into question, creating chaos and a crisis of legitimacy, and the like), weakening Trump even if he stays in office would be no small thing.
So the best option would be a Trump who has resigned from office. Second best would be a Trump denied re-nomination. Third best would be a weakened and then defeated Trump.
Those who have previously been Trump supporters could help produce one of these outcomes. They should. For Donald Trump has surely proven himself, even to those who wished him well and hoped for the best, to be, to quote the Declaration, “unfit to be a ruler of a free people.”
There is no reason for patriotic Trump supporters to continue enabling him. There would be a portion of honor in helping us get beyond him.
Labels: #NeverTrump, 2020 congressional elections, Bill Kristol, Mike Pence, resignation
5 Comments:
The art of rationalization?
There is nothing in this discussion of tactics to get rid of trump that will actually be "healthy" for America or americans. Corporations and billionaires? sure. biden, democraps, pelo$i and, maybe, scummer... all are their BFFs.
But not for America nor americans.
At least this author does come right out and agree with me, then exhibits delusion:
"These people will help us take down Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my friend... to a certain extent. Thanks for helping get rid of the fascist. Then go back to your own party and reform it, but don't try to move the Democratic Party even further right than it has already drifted since Arkansas conservative Bill Clinton managed a hostile takeover in 1992."
Your #nevertrumpers will, indeed, continue the democrap party's rightward lurch. It will be their fee for 'helping'.
Part of the problem, evidently, is the refusal, even at this late date, to admit the truth... about the parties, but more crucially, about voters.
The republican party under trump has coalesced as the Nazi party coalition did under Hitler. The few #nevertrump insergents are the exceptions that prove the rule.
But the democraps have, by their fraud that produced $hillbillary (for wall street) and suppressed Bernie and all progressive thought since 2015, are the neoliberal fascists.
Yes, I know that the sheepdog's task is easier if it can purvey the lie that the Rs are the fascists and the democraps are.. not.. but it's a lie that needs to be exposed, or nothing can ever improve.
For, fundamental to it all, the voters are far too stupid and evil to force any change to anything. The sheepdog plays an important role here -- keeping the voters on the left (that still vote) stupid.
As for the title: The only thing that will ever be "healthy" for America would be for americanS to eschew the Nazis AND the democraps and find a progressive movement to support.
Any strategery that includes democraps as alternatives to Nazis will only serve to make things worse and worse.
And for that, voters have to get a lot smarter.
Short Bursts
"...don't try to move the Democratic Party even further right than it has already drifted..."
Drifted, hell! Once Reagan trounced Carter, the Party RAN to the right, because they thought that was what the country wanted them to be. Once the money started flowing in, and all they had to do was throw their elections and enact legislation that would harm their traditional base, they no longer had any incentive to be a real opposition party.
"Rumsfeld? Ashcroft? Rove? Cheney? Such is the possible character of Biden’s new allies."
For someone who WAS a Republican in DINO clothing for five decades, we already know the character of Biden's allies. All Biden ever had to do to be exactly like them was to declare he was now a Republican and put the R after his name.
"...anything that pushes Biden even further to the right is a menace on its face for anyone seeking genuine progressive change."
That died already once Obama knifed Bernie's campaign in the back. Any further travel to the right by Biden will be because that's where he wants to go.
re: Plans to replace Trump with Pence. That will happen at the Convention. They can't wait any longer than that if they are going to overtake the perceived lead Biden now has with the potted plants.
"What would be healthy for the country is a massive November rejection of Trump, Trumpism, fascism, authoritarianism and the Republican Party."
The corporate owners of this nation won't allow that to happen. Even if the vote is massively in favor of that, it will not be reported that way by the corporate media. There will be no recounts, the voting machines will have their memories wiped, and somehow all of the paper ballots will be lost. IF they get a chance to install Pence as President, corporatist rule will be the reward for doing so.
The commenters are wrong and you don't need to worry about the NeverTrumpers after the election. They are not trying to take over the Democratic party, they are trying to recapture the Republican Party.
Trump seized the party from them! He basically threw them out. Scorned their sacred shibboleths and mocked them for losers when they complained about his utter unconcern about their ideas about foreign policy. He couldn't have cared less about their ideas.
John Bolton Mitt Romney and George Bush are examples of bitter old-guards who want control over their party back.
All the Lincoln Republicans hope that the Democrats will crush the GOP so they can rush in and shout "We told you so! Trump was a disaster! IF the GOP wants to ever rule again we have to purge it of Trump loyalists and give US the power!
It's Corporate Democrats like Chuck Schumer you have to worry about. They're the ones dragging the party to the right. And that will continue.
But, there's tremendous pent up energy among young people. Lots of demands are being made for the first time about economic and social justice. Biden and the Dems can't just bluntly step on everybody because they need support to solve multitude problems.
They can't go small and just try and do 1 thing. The country desperately needs movement in about 10 different directions or the Dems will totally lose control over the situation and the nation will turn against them.
Biden has no choice, but to rally support for serious structural reform because of the horrible state the economy and the country is in.
Cugel makes some good points, but misses on a couple.
"IF the GOP wants to ever rule again we have to purge it of Trump loyalists and give US the power!"
The GOP gains power when the democraps win elections. That's when all energy is spent on serving the money.
"Biden and the Dems can't just bluntly step on everybody because they need support to solve multitude problems."
the same was true of obamanation and they DID step on everybody (except the money) and basically told their voters to go fuck themselves (10 million lost homes, 11 million lost jobs, $23 trillion in bank fraud... and nothing for people). 2 years later, the proto-Nazi party (teabaggers) slaughtered the hapless feckless democraps and they have yet to recover.
And who says biden and the democraps even WANT to solve problems? They are not even bothering to run on solving problems. They are running on being NOT the Nazis. Much like 2016. And what happened then?
"They can't go small and just try and do 1 thing."
What they'll do is to remind us/US all that they are NOT the Nazis, but, like obamanation, they MAY *PRETEND* to do 1 thing. It won't be mfa or gnd, because the money won't abide those. It may be something along the racial equality lines... except that would anger all those white middle-class Nazis that they yearn to seduce.
Like obamanation, I suspect they'll manufacture something that sounds populist but will not end up doing any good... like obamneycare.
*IF* biden does not lose. $hillbillary lost. he's much worse. and it's the same trump.
and it's the same American potted plants and Nazis voting.
They had their chance to recapture the Republican Party, Cugel. They lined up for a mass charge in the primaries, but walked straight and steady into Trump's machine gun tweets. They let him demand rule changes which only benefited him, holding up at least one "debate" until he got his wish. The "real" Republicans spent all of their "debate" time blasting "Democrats" and barely mentioned Trump at all.
Trump would defeat their attempts to reclaim their party now. He's had three years to put his own people into positions of party authority to do to "real" Republicans what the "Democrats" do to progressives. Their only option remaining is to take over the "Democrats", who now occupy the section of the Overton window where these "real" Republicans feel most comfortable. The "Democrats" would help them.
Most importantly, if "real" Republicans REALLY wanted to take Trump down, they would have participated in the impeachment - even introducing charges of their own in the House for deliberation in the Senate. They did nothing. That alone deflates your trial balloon.
No sale here.
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