Friday, February 19, 2010

Religious folk really do have useful things to say -- you just have to listen to the right ones

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by Ken

If you say anything against religion, it then becomes impossible to persuade large segments of the religious community -- especially the really stupid ones, that you're not necessarily against religion, just against the kind that's practiced by most of the organized denominations, for whom it is primarily a way of enforcing their orthodoxies and prejudices on people whose primary interest is being told what to think and do. The terrible thing is that the so-called "religious revival" in the U.S. that set in roughly over the last quarter of the 20th century is almost entirely Crap Christianity.

So it doesn't matter how many times I say that some of the wisest and most committed people I know and have read about were inspired by their faith. Note, though, that those people hardly ever have much standing in their faiths' org charts. Among Catholics the shining exception was Pope John XXIII, who was elected to be a brief, do-nothing caretaker pope, to give the warring cardinals a breather and see if they could agree upon a longer-term choice next time around. Instead Pope John set about opening all those dank closets and sealed windows, and for a lot of Catholics their church began, for the first time, to have meaning for their lives. One result was the liberation theology movement, which set about trying to bring decent lives to the oppressed of the New World. Of course the church hierarchy hated that. After all, those poor souls' oppressors were some of the church's most loyal (and richest) supporters -- most of that oppression was (and is) carried out, not just with the approval, but with the active participation of the church hierarchy. Needless to say, the sainted Pope John Paul II made sure that that heresy, along with every other humane one he could track down, was finally destroyed. And Pope Cardinal Ratguts will make sure that nothing of the sort gains a foothold on his watch.

(Catholics, by the way, and Mormons too, have no idea why there is such strong feeling against them, for the simple reason that they pay no attention to the words and deeds of theirs that arouse that feeling -- like when Catholic leaders drag their flock into cahoots with the vilest, most hate-mongering and hateful and reactionary elements of our society in support of their hateful and reactionary dogmas, or when the Mormons flood a state like California with cash to enforce its primitive bigotries. Already there are tiny-brained neanderthals with negligible reading skills who will say that I've just denounced all Catholics and Mormons as vile and hate-mongering reactionaries. Well, their hierarchies certainly work their darnedest to be.)

As a result of all this, the idea of religion as a force for good seems to a lot of us a theoretically plausible concept, but one that has at best a quaint ring in the real world. Since I'm not particularly looking for religious inspiration, I'm not a good source for information about where to find the good stuff. It was only when I was writing on the subject the other day that I realized how long it had been since I'd sought wisdom from my official go-to guy on the subject, Pastor Dan Schultz, and tracked him down to the Religion Dispatches website. Since then we've heard from our friend Evan Derkacz, a wise and committed progressive colleague who turns out to be the managing editor of the site and insists that, while the name may be unglamorous, they've proud of the quality of the contributions they've been putting out since they set up shop in 2008 (they're now celebrating their second anniversary), and have gotten a fair amount of attention in the MSM.

The people who operate Religion Dispatches are certainly an impressive group, and from my quick glances it really does look like a place where you can find intelligent and humane discussion of the basics of our modern world from a religious perspective. I just glanced at the current front page and found the following highlighted articles:

* "Catholic Child Neglect: DC Archdiocese Cuts Adoption Rather Than Abide Same Sex Parents"

* "The Pope and Social Media: A Digital Counter-Reformation?"

* "Meet the New Haggards—Same as the Old Haggards?"

* "Mauled by an Angel: Why Do Americans Need 'God’s Secret Agents'?"

And the following highlighted blog posts:

* "How Intelligent Design Advocates Helped Shape the Christian Right's Texas Curriculum Standards"

* "Hundreds of Thousands Spent to Fight Gay Marriage While Poverty Grows"

* "Is Tax Evasion a Christian Value?" [I threw in the link because that really sounds like a good one!]

* "Conservative Activist Says Tea Party Movement Needs 'Reverence to God'"

* "Convicted Wall Street Con Artist Finds New Target: Gays"

By the way, Evan assures us that Pastor Dan will indeed return to posting as soon as the book I mentioned in my post is done. By all means check it out.
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At 6:24 PM, Anonymous me said...

But I AM against religion.

When you have the vast majority of the population taking orders from a class of people who claim to know what an invisible man in the sky wants, you have a recipe for disaster.

Most of those people think it really doesn't matter what they do, because they can be forgiven and live forever in the clouds, while their enemies burn in hell. How is that NOT inviting calamity?

I won't say that religion has never done any good. But on balance, it has been a terrible tragedy on humanity. The sooner it is gone, the better.

 
At 12:50 AM, Blogger KenInNY said...

The thing is, me, if you take religion away from all those people who are by God determined to find someone to tell them what to think and say and do, they're by God going to find somebody else to tell them what to think and say and do.

Ken

 
At 5:19 AM, Blogger Celestite said...

The political power wielded by the 'religious' right in this country should be scary to anyone who doesn't want to live in a theocracy. The power wielded by religious leaders all over the world have led us into incredible brutality throughout history. Are they all bad? No... but the bad ones can do a lot of damage using their devoted followers as tools.
But then, I am a Pagan, with no dogma, doctrine or hierarchy to tell me what to think.

 
At 5:22 AM, Blogger Celestite said...

... and I really wish we could edit comments......*rolleyes*
have...has...had..

 
At 6:29 AM, Anonymous Lee said...

Ken,

Thank you. I'm outing myself as a Jew Bo.

I also understand crap christianity having recently parted ways with my bf of over 30 years because I could no longer stand her religious beliefs.

Like you said there are lots of religious and or spiritual people that are writing and thinking about things that I think we as progressives can learn from. I have been after one of my clients a buddhist/therapist and now author to write something. And here's a really interesting piece this morning about Marin Buber and Tiger Woods http://bit.ly/8X7mrZ
There are Spiritual Progressives and
their Marshall Plan is a long read but good. http://bit.ly/8X7mrZ

SPEAKING of Mormons..I don't where this story line is going on Big Love..but one of the main characters who is the son of the now dead "prophet" is married and gay (but of course being a Mormon denies it) He has found real love probably for the fist time in his life. Buts it's with another in the closet character who is tormented by being gay and has tried to change himself for 30 years.The last scene from last week..The son of the prophet is opening the door of the apartment he has rented for them.You hear something drop...And then you see his lovers feet dangling..He's killed himself.
This may be a teachable moment about religious homophobia. I hope so.

 
At 8:55 AM, Blogger KenInNY said...

Thanks to all -- once again, great comments!

And Lee, you've got me curious about BIG LOVE. (That's a TERRIFIC scene you've described.) I'll give it a fair shot someday. (I'm just catching up with your MAD MEN sell via AMC's "On Demand" reaply, and have enjoyed it so much, I ordered the season 1-2 DVDs and will no doubt follow up with season 3.)

Ken

 
At 10:41 AM, Anonymous Lee said...

Ken,

Me too..about Mad Men..I missed the whole first season and on demand is running in order.We seem to have similiar tastes.

Like you I like stories with imperfect interesting characters. That's what got my hooked on Hung. And like Hung the characters are evolving on Big Love. And like in real life, its not always easy. I can't wait to see where the story is headed on Big Love...
FYI Sissy Spacek is playing a Republican lobbyist. Cable has been FABULOUS for women actors over 50...

 
At 6:47 AM, Anonymous me said...

@Ken: True, but how would that be worse?

At least they'd have to admit that their goals and motivations were earthly. That would be an improvement.

 
At 8:05 AM, Blogger KenInNY said...

"How would that be worse?" I always hate putting things like that in the form of a challenge, me. I think we humans are always capable of doing worse.

All I'm saying, though, is that large numbers of people seem bound and determined to swear fealty to the worst "leaders" they can find. If we didn't have "religion," we would have something with a different name that does the same job -- and, yes, quite possibly worse!

Cheers,
Ken

 
At 9:01 AM, Anonymous me said...

To quote Bill Cosby, "Never tempt 'worse'."

Of course things can get worse. But I still think that getting people off the invisible-man-in-the-sky kick would be an improvement.

If people follow an evil leader, they might eventually wise up and depose him. But if they follow an evil leader and are at the same time convinced that the leader is doing God's Work, they will have a much harder time throwing him off.

(Which, of course, is the reason evil leaders claim godly approval. Control of the population by the priestly class is the main purpose of religion, after all.)

 

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