Thursday, January 04, 2007

HOW MANY DAYS BEFORE DEMOCRATS START ACTING LIKE BUSH RUBBER STAMPS? MEET NANCY BOYDA (D?-KS)

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You won't find many congressmen (or ex-congressman) with voting records as radically right as recently unseated Jim Ryun's. The Kansas fanatic was breathtakingly consistent across every issue, a total knee jerk fascist. The sensible voters in Kansas' second CD had a little surprise for him a few weeks ago and they elected ex-Republican Nancy Boyda who was sworn in today as a Democrat.

Earlier today Rep. Boyda-- as well as Democratic freshmen Patrick Murphy (PA) and Emanuel's Heath Shuler (NC)-- appeared with Charles Gibson on ABC-TV News. In light of what Jack Murtha is trying to accomplish-- in segregating requests for escalation funds-- it was a very disappointing discussion, particularly Boyda's part. Here's a transcript:


Charles Gibson: The poll [after the November election] indicated to us, more than anything else, that the public voted on the issue of the war. So is there a Democratic position on the war?
Patrick Murphy: There is, and the fact is that we know that we need to change. If someone like myself, who served over in Baghdad with the 86th Airborne Division, I saw with my own eyes what's going on over there.
The fact is that we need to change direction with what's going on in Iraq. We need to listen to the military experts, people like Gen. Colin Powell, Gen. Abizaid, that say, "Listen, the surge isn't going to work." [Although Murphy didn't know this at the time, the BBC is reporting tonight that Bush, serious about finding scapegoats for his incompetence, is about to fire Abizaid.]
Gibson: So when the president, in the next few days, as he is anticipated to do, calls for a surge and more troops going over there, how's the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives going to react?
Emanuel's Heath Shuler: I don't think that's the solution, with the exception, if that's what our military leaders say-- that the increase in troops is an answer, then that would be more acceptable, but not just one person saying, even the president, not just one person saying that increasing our troop level is going to create that sense of security in Iraq.

Nancy Boyda: I would be happy to vote for more troops, but I am not happy to vote for more troops without a clear mission and sending more of young men into harm's way.
Gibson: But, of course, the president thinks he's defined one, a government in Iraq that can defend itself and sustain itself and govern itself. There's the mission that he's put forth. If he says we need more troops, is the Democratic majority going to be compliant?
Murphy: I think what you hear from Heath, Nancy and I is very clear and that's the president, unfortunately, doesn't get it. It's not a military solution that's needed in Iraq. It's a political solution.

Gibson: Would you vote in favor of money to support another 20,000 to 40,000 troops in Iraq?
Boyda: I think we're going to vote to support what the commander in chief and head of military asks to do. At least, I am certainly going to vote to support it.
Gibson: If he wants the surge, he'll get it.
Boyda: Yes. He is the commander in chief, Charlie. We don't get that choice. Congress doesn't make that decision.
Gibson: But the polls would indicate, and indeed, so many voters when they came out of the ballot box, said, "We're voting because we want something done about the war and we want the troops home."
Boyda: They should have thought about that before they voted for President Bush not once, but twice.


John Amato said he'd probably put the video up on Crooks & Liars tomorrow. (It's up now.) He e-mailed me and told me it made him sick to watch Boyda go on with her nonsense. "Is she nuts?" he asked. I haven't met her and I don't know whether she's nuts or not, but judging from this one discussion I'd say she's not the sharpest knife in the draw. I've been mentioning for at least 6 weeks now that Speaker Pelosi ought to start playing a role in determining which Democrats are offered to the media. Emanuel apparently has a thing for his boy Heath and Boyda sounds like Steny Hoyer's kind of gal. Thank God a sensible person like Murphy was along. Having someone like Boyda, a lifelong Republican until 2003, on national TV representing Democrats and espousing pure, unadulterated rubber stampism is just insane.

Anyone who'd like to let Congresswoman Boyda know how they feel about her pandering to the Bushists can call her office-- or do you like rubber stamp?s:
D.C. Office: (202) 225-6601
Topeka, KS Office: (785) 234-8111
Pittsburgh, KS Office: (620) 231-3011


AN AFTERTHOUGHT ON THE ABOVE FROM KEN--

It's a shame that Representative Boyda wasn't listening to herself. She didn't start out badly when she said, "I would be happy to vote for more troops, but I am not happy to vote for more troops without a clear mission and sending more of young men into harm's way"--though even here "willing" or "prepared" might be a happier choice of word than "happy."

But what Charlie Gibson then describes as the "mission" that "the president thinks he's defined"--"a government in Iraq that can defend itself and sustain itself and govern itself"--isn't a mission. It's a vague goal. A mission would be what military objective those additional troops are intended to accomplish, and how, militarily, they're expected to accomplish it, in pursuit of this overall goal.

If Ms. Boyda had listened to her own words, and stuck to insisting on hearing what military mission those added troops are intended to achieve before voting to fund them, who could argue with her?

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16 Comments:

At 9:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

FWIW, I do know Nancy, and she is a pretty sharp knife. I think she is guilty of making a clumsy stab at a strategically sound position. I'd urge everyone to give her a chance before writing her off as a Bush rubber stamp.

For some additional context, here's a post I offered on DailyKOS with a little bit of background.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/5/84459/93508

 
At 10:03 AM, Blogger Bil said...

Toast.

 
At 12:09 PM, Blogger keninny said...

Perhaps what she was trying to say is that in the end, whatever Congress may think, the president as commander in chief has the sole constitutional authority to decide when and where to deploy troops--and that once he makes a decision to do so, it would be unthinkable for Congress NOT to provide the money needed to SUPPORT those troops.

Ken

 
At 3:57 PM, Blogger Bil said...

K, I agreed with your afterthought but that's all, methinks how ever you all try to package this up she is toast, or Kansas-lite at best.

"Gibson: But the polls would indicate, and indeed, so many voters when they came out of the ballot box, said, "We're voting because we want something done about the war and we want the troops home."

Boyda: They should have thought about that before they voted for President Bush not once, but twice."

1. The voters only voted for Bush once. He was selected by activist judges the first time.

2. The Mid-term elections were a clear message to get out of Iraq and NOT dig a bigger hole and invite more people in. That means NO ESCALATION.

3. Use that money to pull our brave soldiers back and let the Iraqi's have their civil war. The Bush administration is trying to stall this so they can blame it on the Democrats now and the next president, as well as hiding the permanent military bases (embassy) they have built there, bigger than the vatican.

TOAST!

Democrats may not have any balls but I guarantee you that Ex-Republicans and Independents who detest the Bush administration do.

 
At 4:59 PM, Blogger Bil said...

Saw a reference I can't find now about how excited she is to line herself up as a moderate Democrat and with the Blue Dogs.

TOAST.

Here's a couple fax numbers...

Keep it clean.

1711 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

Phone:(202) 225-6601
Fax:(202) 225-7986


The Cannon House Office Building
Topeka KS Office

510 SW 10th Avenue
Topeka, KS 66612
Phone:(785) 234-8111
Fax:(785) 234-9111

 
At 5:22 PM, Blogger Bil said...

PS Here's the Kansas City Chamber of Commerce link. When you come in as a "non constituent" it helps to let the rep know that you not only disagree with the rep, but you do not have to do business with Businesses in the 2nd district...like Hallmark cards,
but pick your own, lots of meat.

Put business name at top of fax.
CC the business if you mean business.

http://www.kcchamber.com/Directory/
Index.asp?IdS=001491-
5F110A0&x=035|020&~=

Howie, did you see that she used a "had enough" line against her opponent?

 
At 5:27 PM, Blogger David Ehrenstein said...

The fool gets no chance.

GET THE HOOK!!!!

 
At 6:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nancy Boyda represents the Topeka area, NOT Kansas City. Hallmark Cards is in KC, but on the MISSOURI side.

So Hallmark is not in her district or even in her state.

You all shouldn't be supporting Hallmark anyway; they are longtime Republicans and HUGE donors to Bush. So is Russell Stover Candy.

 
At 8:16 PM, Blogger jurassicpork said...

Still, this is diametrically the opposite of what the biggest part of her platform was, the reason why the people voted out the previously invincible Ryun and voted her in: Getting our troops out.

Surprise, surprise, this woman's a former Republican. The imprint from the Bible's still on her palm before she turns on her heel and says that we should stand by her man because we voted for him in 2000 which is, you know, three years before we went to war with Iraq.

Yeah, anonymous, "pretty sharp knife" is an apt metaphor for Nancy, as in "pretty sharp knife in the back of everyone who voted her into office."

 
At 9:01 PM, Blogger Bil said...

Thanks Anonymous for the KC lessons, it's been a looong time since I was there.

Also thanks for the Hallmark and Russell stover tip, I try and buy blue.

 
At 1:33 AM, Blogger blogger babe said...

Gads! Who needs enemies when you have friends like her! Charlie was trying to throw her a life line, but she totally missed it. There are a lot of smart women in politics on both sides of the political divide, but she isn't one of them. She may be registered as a Democrat, but she's another Joe Lieberman.

 
At 5:49 AM, Blogger The Doc said...

She's only switched to the party to get elected in the backlash against Republicans.

I agree that the leadership needs to start putting a leash on some of these recent switchers.

 
At 9:56 AM, Blogger TeddySanFran said...

Nancy P. needs to smack Nancy B. -- she's off-base, off-kilter, and off-the-program.

Read Friday's Reid/Pelosi letter to the President, Congresswoman Boyda: that's your party's position now. You are a Democrat, right?

Troops
Home
NOW

 
At 4:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This little fatty is living proof that not only are Republican women ugly, they're liars. She lied and said she had "become" a democrat and the stupid idiot people of Kansas bought it because they haven't seen a Democrat in all their lives. They have hated Democrats for so long they have run every damn one of them out of their state. So when an ugly cow like this ran with a "D" next to her name, they voted her in. WHY? TO END THE WAR.

So Booda Baby, wear a longer skirt and spare us the chubby legs on camera... and check your lies at the door. Vote to support BUSH and you are ending your career.

The grass roots Democrat bloggers out here will make sure of it.

LIAR!!!!

 
At 11:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sitting in my chair i gazed at the stars optimistic about the changing landscape of our political nightmare, only to find change has not made sense to some freshmen democrats like Nancy Boyda. Another rubber stamper for Bush...wow what the hell is she thinking, earth to Boyda!

 
At 9:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BOYDA IS A NUT!
I am from Topeka, the Capital City, and did NOT vote for her.

If people would have spent two minutes listening to her, I don't beleive she would have won. She had no stance on issues besides the old cliches "throw the bums out" and "it's time for a change"
No meat to any of her stances.
By the way there is Hallmark Cards Plant in Topeka

 

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