Will The Results Of Trump's Economic Policies Destroy Him Even Before Mueller?
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Do you remember Marc Thiessen? From his days working for George W. Bush? From his many appearances on Fox? For his deranged book, Courting Disaster: How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Barack Obama Is Inviting the Next Attack, a defense of torture and war criminals? Yes, a truly horrid person. His OpEd in the Washington Post a few days ago, The Mueller probe could turn out to be a disaster-- for the Democrats is taking hold among some idiots on "team blue" in Washington. In short, it warns Democrats not to impeach Trump because his supporters won't like it. Thiessen focuses entirely on Trump's vulnerabilities based on the Mueller investigation, rather than on the likelihood Republican senators will desert him in a severe economic downturn. "If Mueller finds incontrovertible evidence of a criminal conspiracy between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin," grants Thiessen, "then the president will be-- and should be-- removed from office. But it is also possible that Mueller will not find evidence that Trump conspired with Russia, and that Mueller or federal prosecutors in New York’s Southern District will find evidence for some other charge unrelated to a conspiracy with Russia-- such as Trump’s hush-money payments to alleged former mistresses or crimes related to Trump’s family business."
Yesterday he sent me this Teddy Roosevelt meme during a discussion on impeachment after we had both read Thiessen's stupidity. "For some people," he noted, "no matter what the question, the answer is always 'do nothing.' As TR said, those people are 'timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat'":
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That would be a nightmare scenario for Democrats, for three reasons. First, their base would demand that the new Democratic House majority impeach Trump, even if the charges have nothing to do with Russia. The “resistance” does not care about Russia; it cares about getting rid of Trump, and any pretext will do. The pressure from the grass roots to impeach the president would be hard, if not impossible, for the new Democratic majority in the House to resist.A few days ago Alan Grayson told me that "Trump said on national TV that he fired Comey because of 'that Russia thing.' He exchanged information with Manafort and dangled a pardon after Manafort signed a plea agreement. That’s obstruction of justice. Trump called on Russia to hack Democratic e-mails, and Russia did so. Russia also ran a social media campaign to suppress votes for Clinton. Trump paid back Russia by removing Ukrainian support from the GOP platform, appointing a National Security Advisory on Russia’s payroll known as 'Misha' [Flynn], giving state secrets to the Russian Ambassador in the Oval Office, refusing to implement sanctions on Russia, and now withdrawing US troops from Russian ally Syria. That’s collusion and treason. Trump should be impeached and removed from office because he has committed impeachable offenses, in broad daylight. Q.E.D."
Second, such an effort to remove Trump from office would fail. Even if House Democrats managed to pass articles of impeachment, there is zero chance that two-thirds of the Senate would vote to convict Trump for paying hush money to an adult-film star and a Playboy playmate or for pre-presidential financial improprieties. And Americans-- who rightly thought the purpose of the Mueller probe was to find out if Trump committed treason by working with Russia to steal the election-- would see Democrats engaged in a pointless effort to remove the president over completely unrelated allegations.
Third, such a failed impeachment effort would backfire on Democrats just as the impeachment of Bill Clinton backfired on Republicans in the 1990s. At the same point in his presidency, after Republicans won the House in 1994, Clinton’s approval was stuck in the low 40s-- only a few points better than Trump today. But two years later, after House Republicans approved articles of impeachment, Clinton’s approval rating soared to 73 percent. Despite incontrovertible evidence that Clinton had sexual relations with a White House intern and lied about it under oath, Clinton left office with the highest Gallup approval rating of any president since Harry Truman. If Democrats want to give Trump’s approval a similar boost, there is no better way to do it than to impeach him for something unrelated to a criminal conspiracy with Russia.
Impeachment would not only raise Trump’s approval with the very suburban voters Democrats just peeled away from the GOP in the 2018 midterms, but it would also energize his base as never before. Trump’s supporters knew about his affairs and shady business dealings in 2016. They knew about the Access Hollywood tape, where he bragged about grabbing women by their private parts. They knew he boasted about ogling Miss Universe contestants as they were getting dressed and publicly fat-shamed a Miss Universe winner for gaining weight. They knew about the evidence that students were ripped off by the for-profit Trump University (which was not actually a university). They knew that he has been credibly accused of using his charity, the Trump Foundation, to self-deal, including using $258,000 from its coffers to settle legal disputes. They knew about the bankruptcy of his Atlantic City casinos and the allegations that he failed to pay workers and contractors.
They knew all this-- and voted for him anyway. Impeaching him over pre-presidential conduct unrelated to Russia would be seen by Trump voters as an effort to invalidate their votes. It would be received in Trump country as nothing short of an attempted coup. That could provoke a massive backlash. Just as the Democrats’ campaign to destroy Brett M. Kavanaugh cost them the chance to take back the Senate in 2018, a campaign to impeach Trump could very well cost them the chance to take back the presidency in 2020.
In other words, Democrats hoping that the Mueller probe will be Trump’s undoing could find it is their own undoing instead.
Yesterday he sent me this Teddy Roosevelt meme during a discussion on impeachment after we had both read Thiessen's stupidity. "For some people," he noted, "no matter what the question, the answer is always 'do nothing.' As TR said, those people are 'timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat'":
Labels: Alan Grayson, Bob Mueller, impeaching Trump, Impeachment, Putin-Gate, Teddy Roosevelt
7 Comments:
"the impeachment of Bill Clinton backfired on Republicans in the 1990s. "
horse shit. Clinton was a skeevy pig and everyone, even lefties, knew it. His pre-impeachment approval was reflective of that.
However, the impeachment was a case of hysterical political overreach and the left knew it, so Clinton's approval after that was reflective of their loathing of what the Nazis were trying to do (exercise power for its own sake).
It's different. this guy is PROBABLY our most nefarious president ever, certainly our dumbest by far, and has done absolutely nothing positive for any kind of redeeming value. He should be impeached, removed, indicted and put into federal prison... then attica.
most of us know that he won't be, out of pure cowardice on the part of the democraps and another case of the Nazis exercising power for its own sake.
impeaching trump would highly energize his Nazi base, but it wouldn't make it any bigger.
We're going to have our resumption of our civil war. might as well get it started for a good reason.
I wish Bernie would have read TR's meme. Or maybe he did and decided to be a coward intentionally.
OR maybe he's just not your champion... eh DWT??
Anonymous above - Bernie is NOT a coward. His support of Hillary was the right thing to do at the time and a selfless move. It was actually an act of courage. Bernie saw the evils of Trump, though none of us could have possibly imagined how bad he would actually turn out to be. Trump is a MONSTER.
Thiessen is an ass and his premises are total b.s.
Comparing Trump's impeachment with Clinton's is a pathetic nonstarter. Clinton's lies about sex vs. Trump's extensive criminal behavior and obstruction of justice? A grain of sand compared to a desert. Trump has committed a multitude of high crimes and misdemeanors in plain sight, and there is accumulating evidence that he has been a criminal throughout his life. We have a long list of possible crimes - a multipage menu of choices - which ones selected to impeach him remain to be seen.
Trump will be impeached and enough Senate Republicans will vote to remove him. As the Dems and Mueller reveal his crimes to the public, the complicit Republicans will be FORCED into it. Trump is a TRAITOR, that has already been made CLEAR. Putin owns him. Trump is running our government at Putin's direction.
The main thing is - what further damage will Trump do before he is removed? The impeachment process will surely drag out for at least six months to a year. He still has his finger on the nuclear button. Would anyone doubt that he would push it? I don't. He'd love to be remembered for something big and that would be huge. Mattis inserted himself in the chain of command in this regard, not formally but with with courtesy and discretion, but he is no longer there. How could Congress allow one person to start a nuclear war with Congressional approval? This should be addressed immediately - even the first order of business. Only Congress supposedly has the authority to declare war, and while this has been ignored, Congress should definitely be in charge of starting a nuclear one!!!!!!!
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Thiessen's claim that "the Democrats’ campaign to destroy Brett M. Kavanaugh cost them the chance to take back the Senate in 2018" demands either confirmation or refutation. To leave that steaming turd in the punchbowl will only mean that some will drink it - and believe it whether it's true or not.
Hone, I used to think you meant well but were just a little naïve. Now I know you suffer the same delusions as the rest of the brain-dead left.
I can't say if Bernie is a coward or a charlatan. His betrayal of all he SAYS he believes in is one, the other of both. But he is not who you insist on believing he is. he proved it to you and the world. why can you not see?
I'll ditto that for Pelosi.
trump will not be impeached. Pelosi has already vowed not to. her history is to NOT. Why can you not understand?
Ditto for Mueller, who I'm still convinced was tasked to NOT find anything actionable against trump, the trump spawn and the kushners.
But let's indulge your fantasy. Let's say Mueller's report is so damning that Pelosi relents and allows an impeachment.
then what?
your belief that the Nazi senate will convict is absolute hallucination. The sky in your world must be pink and filled with flying unicorns.
Shit, I'd bet 3 or 4 senate *DEMOCRAPS* will never vote to convict.
And you know what? A lot of democraps in both chambers want the trump shit show to continue for 2 more years, at ANY cost, so that they can have another anti-red wave election in 2020.
Or did you not watch the democraps, Pelosi especially, between 2006 and 2008?
Oh sorry, you can watch... but still never see. I forgot.
trump's economy is the American, bipartisan, economy. it hasn't destroyed a president since Carter and it won't destroy this one.
trump's actions might cause volatility, but the general trends are all baked in by both parties, blessed by the idiot electorate who cannot and will not ever insist on changes.
besides, using the stock markets' graphs is NOT a measure of the economy. It's only a measure of where all that untaxed capital thinks it can make the mostest money.
the exchanges all bounced again today.
still doesn't mean shit for you and me. hasn't for over 40 years.
only hone and dwt can equate betrayal of principle to courage.
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