Saturday, October 17, 2009

Teabaggers vs Mainstream Conservatives-- Wrecking The GOP

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Last month we started looking at the special election campaign in the mammoth congressional district in northeast New York (NY-23) to replace John McHugh, who Obama named Army Secretary. The district hasn't sent a Democrat to Congress since the Republicans became a reform-oriented party in the 1860s. It went Republican-- but anti-slave Republican-- and never changed, even though the GOP changed so much that-- thanks to Richard Nixon's and Kevin Phillips' "Southern strategy"-- it has come full circle as the party that actually advocates policies that are both racist and as close to slavery as one can get under the current social constraints against that sort of thing. In the end, we concluded that although the mainstream Republican, Dede Scozzafava, is pro-choice and favors equality for gays, she isn't necessarily a better option than conservative Democrat Bill Owens.

She's good for a Republican and he's pretty piss-poor for a Democrat but in the end, she'll generally vote against working families and he'll generally vote for working families. Either, of course, is preferable to the extreme right-wing fringe loon, Doug Hoffman-- a registered Republican, of course-- that the Conservative Party is running. He's being backed by the teabaggers, the Club for Growth, religionist loon Gary Bauer, all kinds of fringe right-wing outfits, and extremist politicians from out of state like Indiana radical Mike Pence and Tennessee actor Fred Thompson. Yesterday's Wall Street Journal pointed out that teabagger antics like this are wrecking the GOP strategy for an electoral comeback-- and not just in Upstate New York.
Hoffman has siphoned so much support from Ms. Scozzafava that their Democratic rival has vaulted into the lead, according to a poll released Thursday. The election is Nov. 3.

Teabaggers are refusing to support the Republican candidate, and teabagger-oriented extremists in Congress, like Pence, are following their lead, hoping for national notoriety. Yesterday the GOP Establishment rolled out an endorsement by Newt Gingrich in the hope of over-awing the far right but instead they got nothing but ire and vituperation from the extremists. Right wing fanatic Jeb Hensarling (R-TX), who would like to rise in the House Republican leadership, wrote Scozzafava a check and "his conservative base attacked him viciously, specifically harping intimidate details of his personal life."

Right-wing propaganda operations are at war with each other as well. The Weekly Standard, which is more like a tabloid selling stories of Michael Jackson resurrections on Neptune every day, is making the absurd claim-- pulled right out of their asses-- that Scozzafava will switch parties if she wins. And a column by William Kristol in the same rag claims that she isn't even the Republican in the race.

The Wall Street Journal is scared that what's happening in NY-23 is also what's happening around the country, including in high profile campaigns in Florida, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Illinois, and Delaware, where the national GOP leaders want candidates who can win moderates, mainstream and independent voters but where teabaggers are looking for the kind of ideological purity that works wonders in Republican primaries but are suicide in general elections.
"Personally, I'm just as fed up with the Republican Party as the Democratic Party," says Catherina Wojtowicz, coordinator of the Chicago tea-party group. "The Republican Party looks great on paper. But the people who call themselves Republicans, with a few exceptions, have no idea what the party stands for, or don't care."

...The Club for Growth, a fiscally conservative group, has announced it's spending $250,000-- and may spend more-- in support of Mr. Hoffman, depicting Mr. Owens and Ms. Scozzafava as equally contemptible liberals. Mr. Hoffman has attracted the endorsements of several conservative and antiabortion groups.

"The fact that [the tea-party groups are] out there is going to help my candidacy, because there are people just like me that are feeling the same frustrations and the same disappointment with our leadership and doing something about it," says Mr. Hoffman.

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At 10:37 AM, Anonymous Balakirev said...

"Yesterday's Wall Street Journal pointed out that teabagger antics like this are wrecking the GOP strategy for an electoral comeback-- and not just in Upstate New York.
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I've been mentioning this for some time, now: that teabaggers could not be counted upon as the next-wave rightwing evangelicals could in the 1980s and '90s. The latter have a foundation of ethical beliefs, whether one agrees with them, or not; the former are simply driven by rage. And trying to herd them from the top down hasn't done more than buy plenty of media attention from the various mainstream network gasbags (and of course, Faux News).

So what we now have are better organized centers of rage made of wingnut loons who want nothing to do with at least a few Republicans. My sincere hope is that they will target more, of course--even though I'm pissed it's saddling us with a wimp like Owens--and that they'll also engage in their usual outrageous tactics to win support for yet more Republicans. Best thing you can do to Independents, really: disgust them so thoroughly that they're driven to associate the Republican candidates with the teabaggers who support them, and with all the bizarre baggage they bring to the marriage.

A shame many of the Democrats really aren't worth fighting for. I'd gladly give them to the Republicans and even throw in a Belgian waffle, in exchange for a few Graysons with fire in their bellies.

 
At 3:39 PM, Anonymous me said...

You are ignoring the obvious: It was your beloved "mainstream conservatives" who put the nutballs in charge.

There is a direct link from the Bushes to Reagan, and from there to Nixon, and from Nixon to mainstream conservatives.

They all suck. Teabaggers are what "mainstream conservatives" have brought to the country. They'll do it again and again too, if they get the chance.

 
At 8:56 PM, Anonymous Balakirev said...

"You are ignoring the obvious: It was your beloved "mainstream conservatives" who put the nutballs in charge."
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Whom do you mean by nutballs, Me? The teabaggers? They aren't in charge of anything. Limbaugh, Beck, Krauthammer, and the like? They and others like them have been riding the hate media frenzy since Uncle Ronnie put in a new FCC that scrapped the Fairness Doctrine. Cantor, Ms. McConnell? They're not nutballs, they're garden variety, standard, dumb conservatives, willing to make any bargain with any devil that will seemingly win them power. So I honestly don't know what nutballs you reference when you say conservatives put them in charge. Or do you mean the evangelical rightwing loons? But that's something I've already repeatedly written about, here.

And I do hope the "beloved" part of your quote above was meant in jest; I'm jest not sure, judging from your comment. ;)

 
At 9:18 AM, Anonymous me said...

"Whom do you mean by nutballs, Me? The teabaggers? They aren't in charge of anything."

I mean the nutball-rousers, and they certainly are in charge of the GOP. Why do you think they all kiss Limbaugh's butt? Even they don't like the taste, but they do it anyway.


"Limbaugh, Beck, Krauthammer, and the like? They and others like them have been riding the hate media frenzy since Uncle Ronnie put in a new FCC that scrapped the Fairness Doctrine."

I think it's more accurate to say that they have been driving the hate media frenzy. It's also certain that their ilk was behind Reagan (may he rot in a thousand hells) and everything he did.


Cantor, Ms. McConnell? They're not nutballs, they're garden variety, standard, dumb conservatives ... I honestly don't know what nutballs you reference when you say conservatives put them in charge."

You just named some of the conservatives who put the nutballs in charge, of course.

I don't understand why you don't understand. McCain claims to be a mainstream conservative. (The nutballs even say he's too liberal!) Yet that ASSHOLE tried to stick us with that airhead bimbo from Alaska! And since then, she's done nothing but get more popular with the huge mass of retards in the country. THAT is a perfect example of what I mean by mainstream conservatives putting the nutballs in charge. There are many more. Seek and you shall find.


"Or do you mean the evangelical rightwing loons?"

Just another part of the rile-the-morons machine.



"And I do hope the "beloved" part of your quote above was meant in jest"

A bit of hyperbole there...

But I am offended and disgusted at the claim I have heard so often, which is that Bush & Co. suck because they are not "real conservatives". That is totally false. Real conservatives is exactly what they are, and the new feudalism toward which we have been heading is the inevitable result of conservatism.

 
At 4:55 PM, Anonymous Balakirev said...

"You are ignoring the obvious: It was your beloved "mainstream conservatives" who put the nutballs in charge."

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I think then we're not in disagreement about your main point--if by "nutballs being in charge" you mean "nutballs being allowed to call the shots in the media." Only one thing: I don't agree that Bush is a mainstream conservative. A typical conservative is a hidebound, spend-nothing, do nothing, leave it to the states type, while the neo-cons are big spenders, love wars, and hate the Constitution. The two made an agreement to cohabit after Uncle Ronnie took in the neo-cons and made them part of his cabinet, but they really came into power in a big way under Dubya.

This doesn't make either conservatives or neo-cons any more palatable from my point of view, but at least some conservatives are pragmatic and willing to play nicely in the sandbox--or at least, they were in the past. Nowadays, they know their best hope is getting every Dem proposal to fail. It seems the Dems are finally beginning to realize that. What a surprise!

The neo-cons are not capable of rational thought, hence incapable of pragmatic negotiation. They are ideological zealots who believe they can make reality. They and their policies can be discredited time and again, but like the Randians, they simply blame it all on some detail or a scapegoat or a plot, and cling all the tighter to their stupidity. It would be funny if they'd only stick to doing it in little discreet clubs while wearing lampshade caps. As it is, getting hundreds of thousands of people killed makes them complicit in war crimes, and they'll never be held accountable for any of that.

 
At 9:40 PM, Anonymous me said...

"you mean 'nutballs being allowed to call the shots in the media.'"

Not just the media. The entire GOP has been taken over by nutballs. Certainly among ordinary citizens, there are practically no goppers at all who are not nutballs. The 30% who kept supporting Bush no matter what.

The media certainly has promoted that. A person could go totally brain dead watching TV these days. (And obviously, many have done exactly that.)

No, Bush is not mainstream (despite claiming he was - just another of many, many lies out of that criminal). But McCain is. And he sucks, sucks, sucks.


"at least some conservatives are pragmatic and willing to play nicely in the sandbox--or at least, they were in the past."

I can almost agree with the last part of that - the past. In the past, there were some halfway decent conservatives, although most conservatives supported Joe McCarthy (not to mention Uncle Adolph in the 1930's, before they were forced away from him by our entry into WWII).

But they are all gone now. The conservatives have all joined the Democrats, and there's no one at all respectable left in the GOP, only the fruitcakes and crazies.

But my point was, it was the so-called mainstream conservatives who allowed that to happen, even encouraged it. They all supported Nixon. And on and on...

 
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