Friday, April 27, 2007

What the f**k? After all the f**king hullabaloo, it turns out that that's what Harry Reid actually said?

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I was just reading Howie's post below about poor sad old David Broder's mindless attack on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, with Howie's added note about Senate Democrats' letter expressing unanimous support for Reid (including even one Republican, Holy Joe Lieberman), and then John Kerry's HuffPost post "Standing With Harry Reid."

I confess I haven't been paying close attention to this nonsense. I usually meet my Daily Nonsense Quotient (DNQ) by about 8:45 in the morning; after all, the human body can tolerate only so much. So my eyes popped out when I came to this paragraph from Kerry:

And the worst part is, the whole attack is based on a completely out-of-context quote. This is what Harry Reid really said, "And as long as we follow the President's path in Iraq, the war is lost. But there is still a chance to change course - and we must change course." Any questions? The President's own generals say there is no military solution to the civil war in Iraq, that it requires the political solution the Iraqis have resisted. By the Vice President's standard, are they "uninformed and misleading"?


Let me get this straight. He actually said, "As long as we follow the President's path in Iraq, the war is lost," and he was taken to have said, "The war is lost"?


I assume that every media person who simply passed on the lie (because quoting Reid as having said, "The war is lost," is just that--a lie) has been fired for either gross distortion or gross incompetence. And the partisans who have propagated the lie are being excoriated 24/7 by every patriotic believer in fair and balanced coverage.

We can argue whether it would have been true to say, "The war is lost." (OK, I don't know what the counter-argument is. But there must be one. For the sake of argument, let's just assume.)

We can argue whether it would have been smart to say, "The war is lost."

But since nobody seems to have said, "The war is lost," what the f**k would be the point?

[File under: How the f**k do the Righties and their paper-trained media lapdogs keep getting away with it?]

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At 1:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been wondering about that one myself. I had heard the version that included "As long as we follow this President's path in Iraq..." on the teevee, so at that point I had wondered whether this was "the" quote.

I poked around over at FOX "News", assuming they'd naturally publish the most damning quote they could find. Here's the quote they have:

"I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense and _ you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows _ (know) this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday," said Reid, D-Nev.


I have to admit, I'm confused. Did Reid say "the war is lost" (or "this war is lost") in more than one context?

I should be clear that the answer to this question will not change my opinion of Reid. Every version (or instance) of Reid's comment sounds orders of magnitude more reasonable than anything I've heard from the White House.

At 2:32 PM, Blogger KenInNY said...

Thanks for adding this input, Victor.

I've got a sneaky feeling (what other kind are you going to get when you dabble in Foxnews?) that the Foxquote bears as much resemblance to reality as Foxnews does to the real thing, but as you point out, it doesn't matter.

Reid certainly COULD have said, "The war is lost," and it's hard to see how any reasonable person could disagree. The whole discussion moves from grotesque to preposterous, however, if he never actually said it.

At 2:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems like a simple logic problem...

IF we continue to follow the president's path in Iraq THEN the war is lost.

We are going to follow the President's path because he refuses to listen to reason.

Thus, the war is lost.

At 8:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They probably aren't saying any different because you're buying the LIBERAL spin...

Kerry blatantly misrepresented the Harry Reid quote on which Cheney was commenting. In fact, what Reid said, and what Cheney responded to, was: "This war is lost. The surge is not accomplishing anything..." You can see Reid saying exactly what Cheney said he did, in this YouTube video.

The quote Kerry used was a later one, when Reid was backtracking after he realized he had blundered, not the one that Cheney referred to. Why did Kerry lie? No doubt, because the truth was too embarrassing for Harry Reid, John Kerry and the Democratic Party.

At 11:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter what he actually said. The scumpublicans and the lying "news" media they own will spin it and spin it to make all Democrats look bad.

We'll never get our country back while the news is in the hands of a few corporations.


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