Sunday, September 07, 2014

If Scotland Gets Independence, Will Quebec Be Next? Catalonia? Wales? How About Texas?

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Last time we checked in with the Scots, it didn't look like a majority would embrace independence. Every force for conservatism on the planet-- from Sir Mick Jagger, Simon Cowell and Hillary Clinton to Nigel Farange, Steve Stockman (R-TX) and Steve Israel (D-NY) were aligned against it, with just a few public intellectuals like Noam Chomsky, Bill Bragg, Morrissey and Chuck D on the pro-independence side. But a poll-- or as The Guardian put it, a shock poll-- by YouGov published in the Sunday Times today, shows the pro-independence forces with momentum and pulling ahead of the conservatives. And the conservatives are panic-stricken and looking to cut a deal. A turnout that is looking to go as high as 80% now has the pro-independence forces at 51% and the wankers at 49%.
The people of Scotland are to be offered a historic opportunity to devise a federal future for their country before next year's general election, it emerged on Saturday night, as a shock new poll gave the campaign for independence a narrow lead for the first time.

The plan, in the event of a no vote, is that people from all parts of Scottish society-- rather than just politicians-- would be invited to take part in a Scottish conference or convention that would decide on further large-scale transfers of power from London to Holyrood.

…With momentum now strongly behind Alex Salmond's push for full-blown independence, the no campaign is desperately searching for ways to seize back the initiative in the last 11 days of campaigning. A win for the yes campaign would represent a stunning turnaround, and unleash the biggest constitutional crisis in the union's 300-year history: it was 14 points behind in polls taken less than a month ago.

…A senior government minister close to the Better Together campaign said a pledge to set up a new Scottish conference or convention, after a no vote, was imminent. The intention is to demonstrate to the Scottish people that they themselves would be able to "finish the job" of devolution if they reject independence. "Watch this space. You can expect something in the next few days," said the minister.

It is understood that there have been intensive cross-party talks in recent days to finalise the plans. The minister said the conference should be able to complete its work before the May 2015 general election, and in time for the three main Westminster parties to commit to implementing its recommendations in full in the first Queen's speech of a new parliament. Alex Salmond's SNP would be invited to take part.

The move is designed to reassure voters that by rejecting independence they will not be left with the status quo-- but that more far-reaching constitutional change and devolution will definitely follow a no vote.

Before the latest poll results were revealed, Rupert Murdoch, the boss of News Corp, said they would be seen as a "black eye" for the British establishment. He said the poll would "shock Britain" and reveal that "everything [is] up for grabs."

"Scottish independence means huge black eye for whole political establishment, especially Cameron and Milliband [sic]," he tweeted.

With the yes campaign in buoyant mood, the no team aims to focus on a message that Scots can have the best of both worlds if they remain in the UK, with more powers, including over tax and their budget, but with the financial security of staying in the UK and EU.

A senior European commission official issued a new warning that an independent Scotland could have to wait five years before getting back into the EU. The high-placed Brussels source said that the internal estimate for the time it would take for Scotland to receive new member status would be around five years, contradicting Salmond's claim that Scotland could negotiate its new membership terms from within the EU.

She said: "It is accepted across the commission that Scotland will need to reapply and every member state will need to agree to them being admitted. There will be a significant wait of at least five to six years. For many Catalans, for example, it is this delay and the disruption to business that is in their mind when they consider independence."

Key figures involved within Better Together have been hinting at a major announcement on further devolution in recent days. The shadow foreign secretary, Douglas Alexander, who represents Paisley and Renfrewshire South, told an audience at Glasgow University on Saturday that the time had arrived to make clear to the Scottish people that real change would follow a no vote.


"One of our challenges in the dozen days ahead is to find new ways of setting out clearly to people just how the process for further devolution following a no vote would work, how civic society will be engaged, and on what sort of a timetable the new powers will be delivered, whichever of the main parties wins the general election." He said the choice was "between greater devolution and irreversible separation". Some critics of Better Together have said it has focused too much on which currency Scotland would use if it voted yes, and too little on how it could change for the better inside the UK.

On Friday, Gordon Brown, the former prime minister, said he wanted to lead a debate in the House of Commons on more devolution as soon as possible after the referendum if Scotland voted no. He said it was time to recognise that it was not just Scotland that would feel the effects of devolution, but England, Wales and Northern Ireland, too.

"The United Kingdom is moving as close to a federal state as is possible in a country where 85% of the population comes from only one of its four parts," he said.

Brown said it had already been agreed that Scotland would have more power to set its own income tax rate, and that there would be more borrowing powers for the Scottish parliament, but he expected more power to set benefit levels and transport policy to be handed to Holyrood.




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3 Comments:

At 3:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I fully support Texas secession - if and only if it reverts to Mexico.

 
At 4:56 AM, Blogger ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said...

the pro-independence forces at 51% and the wankers at 49%.

Well stated.
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At 5:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Texas secedes, there will be war. They can't face being poor and powerless.

 

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